Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

@Arctic

wolves are usually more worried about responding to things seriously. doesn’t apply to everyone, but in general it’s held true in my experience

I see, thank you! I explained above why I disagreed with this logic, and it def doesn’t apply to me at the very least, but I see.

@Arctic

this is not their second game. if they were new i would probably not be scumreading them. but they have tons of experience lol, they mostly play on MU. that’s why I don’t really believe they would actually think me posting about cop cover was LAMIST and the thought about zug being alive on day 2

im not sure there is an explanation for agreeing to the zug townread given their earlier posts, either?

I want to see Caitlin give thoughts on this, or at least attempt to before dismissing it as no explanation can be given. It is def not Caits first game tho, and they’re def a good player.

@Arctic

well i’ll see what she does later. i’m not condemning her for the bad start because i found her opener awkward the last time i played with her and she was town there (although it wasn’t as bad as here imo)

Kind of connecting things to past games / showing thinking, but this post still isn’t my favorite. If her start there was akward and she was town I see no reason to push it here ngl, however you did say it was slightly worse so ill let it pass.

@WindwardAway

Don’t feel the need to it only concerned Caitlin and Arctic, and I think I made my opinion clear already.

This post surface level is townie but I still want the thoughts lol. I see no reason why it would hurt you to give your thoughts on this matter. All it does is fuel progression.

@guavagudetama

Which is fair cuz iirc they said this would be their second game

Where did they say this?

@guavagudetama

I don’t really understand the Caitlin sus

My vote at the very least is more for pressure as to anything else.

@guavagudetama

And also when Arctic said that Caitlin not understanding a joke is a joke was wolfy is insane autistic people are DONE FOR!

I agree that its weird in a sense, but I do also agree with the logic presented by why they would think that. Im not looking to much into it at the very least. This post gets a TL from guav for not following general consensis when that consensis is reasonable, but not a strong one. Id cait or guav flips scum look into the other.

@PrincessAbigail

How often do you think i do this as town vs scum?

Ive seen you do it like. 6 times as town and 1 time as scum(the latter you specifically asked me not cait despite cait being in the game) so id argue much more as town than scum. I also kinda have a meta reason for calling you good that I dont want to share.

@May

Having finally RANDED TOWN, I am now ready to start shaking up my own gameplay a little for my own entertainment. I got so, so goddamn bored in my last few games because, being a wolf, I had to just imitate what I’d always been doing. Can’t shake things up! They’ll kill you for that! I was much too scared! Let’s begin.

This is probably the best opening so far. Just townie in general, id give this a town lean.

@May

Guavagudetama is Towny . These “I don’t understand X sus” posts are surface-level wolfy, yes, and in a “town or mafia” quiz I’d hit the wolf button (I am very bad at “town or mafia” quizzes). However! Guava did not try to “ease in” to giving this read. It’s in a larger paragraph. It’s the first proper read Guava gives, and there’s not a sense that rain’s trying specifically to make it look like a casual observation, something that stands out to me a bit in their scumgames: they tend to give one-line reads in little bits and pieces, quoted one at a time.

I disagree with the read but it is a meta read so I cant say much; overall it doesn’t feel forced yes but it doesn’t feel screaming pure either.

@May

But I’m so polarised… I could never win a wolfgame… you would truly choose to be COMPLETELY doomed to fail, by wolfing with me (May) (never won a wolfgame) (too polarised)

I have seen like 5 posts from you and I already want to be wolf with you so shrug

@May

I think Zugzwang’s posts feel as if they have been carved carefully, and are therefore Wolfy. Some meta review may be in order, but I feel as though I am overly reliant on meta, and as though I played better without it. So I will pause on that for now and say that the posts feel like they are trying too hard to make jokes. Like a wolf would. Meanwhile I never have to try, because I’m always town. Wolfy

I once again disagree with this, I feel as though they come off naturally. However, coming off naturally early game is kinda nai imo; its mostly playstyle for early game agressiveness(I think Ive said this before). Id put Zug at null.

@May

Willing to express a “the-rules-don’t-apply-to-me” attitude and admit to not having much to add. Openly hiding information is also towny, though I’m curious to see where the unshared read ends up. I will keep an eye on this.

I will be holding you to it, but I do agree with this that it is townie. It is also easily fakable so im not really putting to much weight onto it; and id still like the information.

@May

howing this retroactive hesitation feels more like nuance in thoughts than trying to hedge, because a townread this early on isn’t something I think wolves would feel too scared about expressing.

I agree, but I feel as though town wouldnt be hyper concerned with it either. Garfooled is townie tho; there posts come off as natural and townie alligned. I also had other reasons and I forgot…

@May

Luka is Towny. Because I said so.

Pocketing attempt spotted… roll charisma…

@May

Arctic is defensive. That’s Towny enough for me for now

Being defensive isnt really townie or wolfy; both allignments are defensive.
Thoughts on May: Bit worried about a potential pocket, disagree with a few of there reads. Despite that, early game comprehension of what’s going on and progressing the game with a gamestate + pointng things out that nobodys pointied out(that I agree with) is townie. Town lean on May’s slot.

@PrincessAbigail

Also I like lightly town read Luka just putting Cait at 3 after calling one of her posts towny for content generation…

Why would you town read me for this? Wouldnt that be scummy?

@PrincessAbigail

Wanna mason?

Hmmm… Sure! Abbi locked town

@May

I know I said I was done making Judgements in bold and capitalised text, but it is a lot of Fun , turns out. Abbi is Towny . Further explanation on this will wait until after I eat Dinner and play Splatoon . Hold me to that.

I will.

@PrincessAbigail

However. This wagon formed way too fast for way too weak reasons.

Applying pressure isn’t really a weak reason.

@PrincessAbigail

Everything in this game is readable her reading into things and skipping rvs is good not evil. Wolf Caitlin just hides in rvs

Cait is a scary player and I cannot read her very well, so I’ll trust this meta read somewhat given we’re masoning.

@Arctic

she leveled up her wolfgame and fooled me for most of the last game where she was a wolf. and didn’t really do this. so i’m not sure she just goes back to doing this as mafia. especially because she knows i used to catch her instantly when she did this.

She openly said at the start of her post that she cant do things differently as wolf as thatl get her scum read or something similar; overall id say it leans good were this to be true.

[guavagudetama]

@Luka

Where did they say this

Sign up thread
Though May has informed me that it’s her second game on this site, I thought she said it was her second game ever

[Garfooled]

@guavagudetama

this would be their second game

Second game here
They’ve played on forums before

[guavagudetama]

As May and Arctic have already told me

[Luka]

She’s very experienced yup yup yup
She’s one of the best mafia players ive ever seen yup yupyup

[guavagudetama]

Dayum does everyone know her but me

[May]

@Luka

@May

I know I said I was done making Judgements in bold and capitalised text, but it is a lot of Fun , turns out. Abbi is Towny . Further explanation on this will wait until after I eat Dinner and play Splatoon . Hold me to that.

I will.

To be clear the “hold me to that” was about actually leaving thread and eating dinner. I have bad habits. I ate dinner so nobody needs to hold me to anything anymore. I’m not explaining the Abbi read because I Don’t Want To.

[I could explain the Abbi read if anyone is genuinely confused but it’s pretty self-explanatory I think. She is very indignant and pushy and not unwilling to let bias show and it’s towny. She moves so energetically. It’s towny.]

@Luka

@May

But I’m so polarised… I could never win a wolfgame… you would truly choose to be COMPLETELY doomed to fail, by wolfing with me (May) (never won a wolfgame) (too polarised)

I have seen like 5 posts from you and I already want to be wolf with you so shrug

[Also, Luka, if you’re interested in any further pocketing, I signed up like 50-75% because I read like 5 posts of yours in Owl House and already wanted to play mafia with you. This is in square brackets because I am modifying the Blood on the Clocktower setup right now.]

[guavagudetama]

MU is hard for me to use on mobile so I played champs on there for drww (because I was the ONLY nom ) and then never touched it again

[guavagudetama]

@guavagudetama

because I was the ONLY nom

Bylamir accepted his nomination as a joke and then got more votes than me and then quit and I ended up playing

[guavagudetama]

@May

This is in square brackets because I am modifying the Blood on the Clocktower setup right now.

Based

[guavagudetama]

My break is over
See y’all in like an hour and a half

[Luka]

@PrincessAbigail

This is a lot of words to say something that could’ve been said in like one sentence and it’s… very hedgy.

Townie post; dont think Arctic / Abbi paired for this at the very least. I kinda agree to so shrug.

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out.

I see, thank you. Can somebody here verify the meta who’s played with arctic before? Either way clearly thought put into it; doesnt feel like the read stems from TMI.

@PrincessAbigail

Knocking on the door

Masoning with me but not adding me >:C

@May

Who’s the wolf now, wolfreadboy

Lmao. This made me laugh, ty

@May

Even with that aside, I think his posts are weird. He announces he’s leaving thread very loudly. He goes all “don’t make me come back to 1000 posts”. It doesn’t feel like an organic shape to me. It’s not a sharp one, either. It is like… half a footprint. To me. Warped strangely. How could you all townread someone whose posts warp strangely

They’re my weakest town lean atp from what i’ve seen thus far, but they’re still a town lean. In hindsight though it. probably wasn’t strong enough to put it as high as it was or arguably should still be null. Mostly because I cant figure out why I put them that high other than I. just did.

[Garfooled]

@May

as if they have been carved carefully, and are therefore Wolfy

I can see that
If I squint a bit, yeah that’s fair

[Luka]

@May

[Also, Luka, if you’re interested in any further pocketing, I signed up like 50-75% because I read like 5 posts of yours in Owl House and already wanted to play mafia with you. This is in square brackets because I am modifying the Blood on the Clocktower setup right now.]

Omg May locked town now
(Jokes aside idt scum says “If you’re interested in any futher pocketing”. I am still wary of a pocket but im going to cast aside rthat wariness recklessly!
Read List No.2
Town

• Abbi
• May

Town Lean

• Arctic
• Garfooled
• Windrad(Very weak; but still strong enough to be here. Once again want more content)

Null

• Everybody Else
• @caitlin can we get more content from you ty @guavagudetama same with you, I dont have enough meta on you to give a read but id love more content(when youre free ofc, irl comes first, this is 4 hours into the game I should not be pressuring for content)

[Luka]

FTR according to lune if you post a read list D1 youre going to post 5 more so im currently 2/6 lets go

[May]

@Garfooled

I can see that
If I squint a bit, yeah that’s fair

You can see it? Thank god, you can see it. Could you explain to the rest of the class what I mean, or at least what you think I mean

[Garfooled]

@May

Openly hiding information is also towny

I did this as Inquisitor
I don’t know if that counts though
Solo evil and all

[Luka]

okay guys 178/1000 posts we can do it

[Garfooled]

Man,
It’s like
Bam
Not flowy
But like
“[Blank] lol”
“Don’t post over 1000”
“[Blank] and [Blank] aren’t w/w”

[Luka]

Does the new PFP translate well