Stratagem-27 FM - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY

[Magnus]

…Y’know what, that explains a lot. Today could’ve been awkward.

@WizKvothe

Gosh! Where am I contradicting myself. I already said, put me out of the box. Clear.

@Host_Account_1

Votecount as of post #852

Leafia (3): May, Magnus, WizKvothe
WizKvothe (2): Zenon, ElizaThePsycho
Marluna (2): Leafia, Litten
Zenon (1): Kiiruma
May (1): sulit

Not Voting (2): Marluna, Garfooled

Looking back at the circumstances following this soft, Litten advocated for Wiz’s demise, so anyone who blatantly stepped in the way of the flood would’ve been in trouble. If Litten was claimvigged, allowing Wiz to die would be fine.
Well, that’s a bad look for me, trying to vote Marluna instead. Leafia suspected Wiz, so she was supporting that execution. Garfooled kinda stood to one side, and kinda treated Wiz like he knew they were a townie, and he ultimately up no-voting. Sulit voted Marluna for meh reasons, which is actually not what I’d expect an evil preparing to use a claimvig to do. You did you, sticking your vote out on Leafia like you are wont to do, and I wanted Marluna dead for completely other reasons.

I can’t read into Leafia voting Wiz. I can read into her voting Wiz for unrelated reasons, but I’d need time to think about it. Gar’s behavior tips the scales there, and Sulit would’ve been careless as a wolf to do that. Does that mean it’s you, then?

[Magnus]

@May

do you think wolves would’ve been unsupportive of his execution, because he could be claimvigged (especially given Litten appears to have been as well), and if so, do you think anybody displayed that behaviour?

Litten supported Wiz’s execution enough to kill him over Marluna, that makes a lot more sense. Wolves would’ve certainly preferred to have Wiz alive, for either the claimvig or not, and wolves shouldn’t have felt stressed yesterday given the lack of evil wagons. w!Leafia would’ve pushed Wiz anyway if she were asked to. Every other suspect’s behavior is, well, suspect.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

If Sulit/Gar are T/W, then I’d say you’re the best candidate for being Gar’s partner with the way you handled how Gar and I reacted to Sulit and how Gar didn’t change his vote. Your explaination felt slightly partnery with Gar.

In what way did I feel partnered with Gar?

@Leafia

If Sulit/Gar are W/T, then I’m not quite sure who could be Sulit’s partner, but it would have to be you or May from how I see it.

Out of necessity, yeah. Alright, that didn’t really help me, but thanks for answering though.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

Yeah, I can’t really see wolves wanting Wiz executed when they could just claimvig him so they were likely trying to resist it a bit.

From your perspective, with your POE, this would be correct. Is this a sign of your internal worldview is lining up with your external thoughts?

[Magnus]

You could just realtime with us.

[May]

@Magnus

From your perspective, with your POE, this would be correct. Is this a sign of your internal worldview is lining up with your external thoughts?

You can’t just ask Leafia if her internal worldview is lining up with her external thoughts.

[Magnus]

I was asking that question aloud for anyone to answer

[Magnus]

God, mom

[Garfooled]

@sulit

Yea I can definitely do that when I get back to where I’m staying

I’m excited for this

@Magnus

Leafia repeatedly taking the opportunity to hastily take her vote off Sulit while still wanting to appear willing to vote you if needed raises your partner equity. You also fit quite well as a partner with Gar, as I said earlier

Why do I fit well with them again?

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@Leafia

@sulit

Leafia and magnus dropping ranks for me too
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This I don’t care much for either.

Doesn’t this contradict?

How?

@May

I want to study more on Magnus’s scumgames and Leafia’s towngames, as I’m not very familiar with either (I’ve been town with Leafia, but I always scumread her, so I never looked at them with the perspective of "alright, here are Leafia’s town tells).

If May doesn’t come up with results later then I’ll be wary of this slot.
Also usually I TR Leafia, even when they were mafosi I had TR them initially.

@Leafia

Whoever the hider is can hide behind me tonight. One way or another, I’ll be cleared, either through dying with the hider if wolves attack me, or the hider surviving if they don’t.

I don’t like this. Can someone tell me why I don’t?
I think it’s just… Narrowing what the PR should do, I don’t like that predictability I think.

@Magnus

Zenon is just so naturally charismatic and brilliant, you mean you don’t TR her too?

I really don’t get this… Do u guys have TMI or something?

@Leafia

we could always noexe today. That way, in a world where I’m maf, you’d just end up in lylo with a confirmed scum.

w h a t, so in the scenario where u don’t get killed and i don’t killed (bcus we’re T/W right?) there’s just further conflict the next day + one dead town.

@May

A big part of killing Wiz was that he appeared to slip VT in a way that was claimviggable, saying he did not belong in the box - do you think wolves would’ve been unsupportive of his execution, because he could be claimvigged

I think if the topwagon was scum, they wouldn’t mind shoving Wiz out, esp since they had Litten figured out

@Leafia

Hmmm, I’d say GTH, the scumteam is Garfooled/Sulit.

I still don’t get why we’re being partnered lol
Leafia stated that we couldn’t be W/W D1

@Leafia

Your explaination felt slightly partnery with Gar.

Magnus would know that we’re not partnered, what do u think of this take @Magnus
I can see it but what about our D1 interactions Leafia? Do they look W/W to you?

@Leafia

I’m not quite sure who could be Sulit’s partner, but it would have to be you or May from how I see it.

How??

@Magnus

Garfooled kinda stood to one side, and kinda treated Wiz like he knew they were a townie, and he ultimately up no-voting.

Pfff I had no clue how town Wiz played bcus they linked a Reddit thread… I couldn’t read that.

@Magnus

Gar’s behavior tips the scales there, and Sulit would’ve been careless as a wolf to do that. Does that mean it’s you, then?

wut? what do u mean?

[Garfooled]

This bothers me ;-;

[Magnus]

@Garfooled

Why do I fit well with them again?

You work as a partner for Sulit because you overly questioned why you and Sulit were or weren’t aligned, and caring about how other people were reading Sulit, as seen here, here and here. Meanwhile, Sulit was asking about your slot, before pivoting into a rising townread but still wanting an explanation, which could be indicative of an evil wanting a good player to talk about why another evil was good. This rose to the degree of wanting to know why other people didn’t TR you, all without a solid analysis on your slot.
Are these hyperlinks okay, or would people prefer quotes? If you prefer quotes, you can look at this post for Sulit’s progression altogether: Stratagem-27 FM - Day 2 (7/11) - #1189 by Magnus

@Garfooled

How?

How does it contradict? I guess it doesn’t, but Leafia shifted her vote because Sulit defended herself in a fashion perceived as good, while simultaneously calling some of Sulit’s same defence unlikeable. Leafia’s explanation was that the good parts outweighed the bad parts enough.

@Garfooled

If May doesn’t come up with results later then I’ll be wary of this slot.
Also usually I TR Leafia, even when they were mafosi I had TR them initially.

May’s been lowposting this game, which I’ve credited to being in other games as well.

@Garfooled

I don’t like this. Can someone tell me why I don’t?
I think it’s just… Narrowing what the PR should do, I don’t like that predictability I think.

You don’t like this because Leafia’s asking herself to be cleared and therefore not scrutinised for the rest of today, while also directing any possible Hiders that are alive to act in a very certain way.

@Garfooled

I really don’t get this… Do u guys have TMI or something?

In a way? I swear you would’ve been informed on this if you partnered with really anyone other than Sulit as well.

@Garfooled

I think if the topwagon was scum, they wouldn’t mind shoving Wiz out, esp since they had Litten figured out

None of the wagons were scum. They’re all dead or cleared.
One moment to continue.

[Magnus]

I usually try manually inserting a [/quote] at the end of the section if that happens.

[Magnus]

@Garfooled

@Leafia

Your explaination felt slightly partnery with Gar.

Magnus would know that we’re not partnered, what do u think of this take @Magnus

There’s a reason why I asked how we looked partnered. I can personally confirm we aren’t on a scumteam together

I don’t know your evil playstyle, but I can’t really say “I wouldn’t do X as evil” unless it’s verifiably true and I don’t really know what Leafia’s suggesting. She was responding to my question regarding her worldview, because she had been treating me like a villager all day.

[Magnus]

@Garfooled

@Leafia

I’m not quite sure who could be Sulit’s partner, but it would have to be you or May from how I see it.

How??

Because the POE is extremely small and if you’re good, Leafia isn’t about to accuse herself, meaning that Sulit’s wolf partner would literally have to be either May or I

[Magnus]

@Garfooled

@Magnus

Gar’s behavior tips the scales there, and Sulit would’ve been careless as a wolf to do that. Does that mean it’s you, then?

wut? what do u mean?

“Tips the scales” means if you’re evil, you were blatantly treating Wiz like you knew his slip was real FMPOV. If Sulit was an evil, voting for Marluna because of a gutread without mentioning Wiz is just asking for blame, and I would think she’d be more careful than that?
“You” is addressed to Maynus in this question.

[May]

@Magnus

Looking back at the circumstances following this soft, Litten advocated for Wiz’s demise, so anyone who blatantly stepped in the way of the flood would’ve been in trouble. If Litten was claimvigged, allowing Wiz to die would be fine.
Well, that’s a bad look for me, trying to vote Marluna instead. Leafia suspected Wiz, so she was supporting that execution. Garfooled kinda stood to one side, and kinda treated Wiz like he knew they were a townie, and he ultimately up no-voting. Sulit voted Marluna for meh reasons, which is actually not what I’d expect an evil preparing to use a claimvig to do. You did you, sticking your vote out on Leafia like you are wont to do, and I wanted Marluna dead for completely other reasons.

I can’t read into Leafia voting Wiz. I can read into her voting Wiz for unrelated reasons, but I’d need time to think about it. Gar’s behavior tips the scales there, and Sulit would’ve been careless as a wolf to do that. Does that mean it’s you, then?

Well, keep in mind that Litten appears to have been claimviggable, given we had three deaths last night and none of them were Kiiruma, and what I presume caused that was available all day. The claimvig was going to go after him over Wiz pretty much every time, so I don’t think that “wolves were off the Wiz wagon” holds up as the strongest logic.

It’s a thought, though, and wolves still probably would’ve preferred a Wiz wagon over Marluna or v!Leafia, and it’s something I wanted to see how people pieced together things in reaction to. I’ll analyse all that… later.

[Garfooled]

@Magnus

because you overly questioned why you and Sulit were or weren’t aligned, and caring about how other people were reading Sulit

Ah no, that was me testing Leafia. I was SRing them and wanted to see if they would give good answers bcus if they’re wolf they would struggle more to fake reads. And the second question was for u bcus u kept changing ur mind about them so I didn’t understand the flipflopping on that, one second u say blank the next blank.

@Magnus

Sulit was asking about your slot, before pivoting into a rising townread but still wanting an explanation, which could be indicative of an evil wanting a good player to talk about why another evil was good.

Or they wanted to see what the popular opinion on me was so that they could sheep it. They keep mentioning that’s what they were doing in this game.

@Magnus

all without a solid analysis on your slot.

Do they have solid leads on anyone? I think they just asked leading townies about their reads and then shifted towards SRing ppl that suspect them today. I don’t know how to feel about that btw, but Leafia TRs it apparently.

@Magnus

Leafia’s explanation was that the good parts outweighed the bad parts enough.

What I saw was, “I TR this slot but I didn’t like that me and Magnus got SR’d”

@Magnus

You don’t like this because Leafia’s asking herself to be cleared and therefore not scrutinised for the rest of today, while also directing any possible Hiders that are alive to act in a very certain way.

Yes… They shifted focus yesterday from themselves too, “get me next!” they said while immediately getting offended by our audacity the next day for still suspecting them.

@Magnus

I swear you would’ve been informed on this if you partnered with really anyone other than Sulit as well.

I have read this entire thread, I would be doing the informing.

@Magnus

None of the wagons were scum. They’re all dead or cleared.

Leafia was a top wagon at one point, weren’t they?

@Magnus

She was responding to my question regarding her worldview, because she had been treating me like a villager all day.

So even if ur their TR ur still partnered with their top SR, got it

@Magnus

you were blatantly treating Wiz like you knew his slip was real FMPOV

How was I doing that?

[Zenon]

Games so easy.

One on wagon one off.

Ez.

[Garfooled]

@Garfooled

How was I doing that?

I stayed off the Wiz wagon bcus I SR’d u and Leafia more so I didn’t have the motivation to vote them. And they were acting differently from their last game, I just didn’t know if that meant anything.

[Garfooled]

Plus they were going over either way, whether I voted them or not. I was late to the “Wiz is sus” party.