Stratagem-27 FM - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY

[Litten]

so uh are you gonna deny any of them

[Kiiruma]

Nah. Eliza is every PR.

[Litten]

tragic

[Leafia]

Yup.

@Litten

I’m town reading Sulit right now. They aren’t in the box, but I town read their posts so

What are your other reads so far?

@sulit

So May is magnus and magnus is May is what I’m getting here

Read Flicker to know that isn’t the case. They’re only pretending to be each other for some reason.

I admittedly don’t like how Marluna goes offtopic like they do. Minor scumlean so far.

@Magnus

Leafia earned that vote fair and square by falsely claiming to be ‘first’ when she wasn’t really first. I beat her to the punch and she went ahead anyway

1. I didn’t see your first post until a quite a while after I had posted.

2. That’s not AI and doesn’t deserve a vote.

@Litten

Read through my posts to see why I want this, as I explained it already. Vigilante should not claim, but everyone who isn’t ciiglante shouke claim that they aren’t

I’m not the vig either.

@Kiiruma

This is why Litten is our leader.

Indeed it is. All hail Lord Litten!

@Litten

Why did my assistant have to sleep, what do I even pay them for

Wait, you’re paying me? I only accept leafcoins.

@Litten

This is why I’m fine with killing Marluna still

Not sure he’s the best exe actually. I still think Garfooled is better, although Marluna is trending a bit downwards for me right now.

@Litten

In order to combat that, everyone should claim that they are not the hider if they are not the hider too.

I’m not the hider either.

[Marluna]

I just don’t like Litten’s plans…
It just waste the potential of each PR.

Vigi is forced to shoot N1, with almost no information.
Fool just loses all of his power. (A vig won’t shot in the obv PR category, and as Litten already told mafia won’t do that either.)

And Hider becomes 1-shot sheriff, halfing his functionality. Basically. Even if hider knows X is town, 1) there is literally no way to prove they are the hider. (The only sure-fire way to know it was a hider death, if they are 4 deaths in a single night. 2) mafia anti-claim can shoot the hider, when they say they are hiding behind X, to frame X… (mafia has two less spots to anylyze to find soft or hardclaims, so they have a bit easier job in this regard.)

Also if everyone who isn’t a hider claims they are not the hider and PR acts obvious, mafia will know, who they can shoot without any consiquenses.

[Litten]

Actually, if all the power roles act obvious, without claiming, the anti claim cannot touch any of the power roles. Vig actually knows 2 other towns, and knows the alignment of the person executed the previous day. And actually they must shoot the person the hider will hide behind. Whenever someone like Kiiruma dies, everyone else in the box, will do a dance to figure out whether or not any of them is hider. If none of them is, then Kiiruma targeted mafia

[Litten]

They in this is mafia otherwise hider just locks the game down

[Marluna]

And you just assume neither mafia won’t act as obvious PR in your scenarios…
Don’t forget, mafia backup is still usefull after it died, so it doesn’t go against his plan to go for as the fourth obv PR…

Do you want to risk killing the hider in that scenario?

[Litten]

I did acfually take into account that, if you read my posts you would realize I actually accounted for that possibility.

[Litten]

@Litten

Once the power roles have established themselves as obvious town, we should have three confirmed town. There may be some jesters among us in the form of mafia that could make this box slightly bigger, but this can be solved easily by the fact that if a wolf is in this box, other people in this box must die or that wolf will lose. So they will be forced to make the box smaller, making their chance of survival grow smaller as well. Or they will lose. I’m fine with either personally.

Here

[Litten]

If mafia want to lock themselbes into a box with three other town, we will reqlize when see four people in the box, and we solve outside it and inside it

[Litten]

@Marluna

Don’t forget, mafia backup is still usefull after it died, so it doesn’t go against his plan to go for as the fourth obv PR

What does this even mean there isn’t a mafia backup

[Marluna]

@Litten

Once the power roles have established themselves as obvious town, we should have three confirmed town. There may be some jesters among us in the form of mafia that could make this box slightly bigger, but this can be solved easily by the fact that if a wolf is in this box, other people in this box must die or that wolf will lose. So they will be forced to make the box smaller, making their chance of survival grow smaller as well. Or they will lose. I’m fine with either personally.

In a 4 PR box, mafia can just ignore the box in my opinion…
Hider will die at N1 anyway, since they just can shoot the person, the hider (in their opinion) will hide behind.
And in case that hider chose the other mafia, they can just shoot the hider. (Resulting no mafia kills, but only hider death, how can you garantuee you will spot this happening without actual flips?)

Yeah, this method can eliminate one scummy town… But who can come up with accurate reads during D1, when we can come up only with second-rate reasons at best.

[Litten]

I can guaratee it very easily. Because the hider should never die at night. That means any living hider will know what truly happened.

[Marluna]

Mafia Fool.

I’m sure, you knew what I meant…

[Marluna]

In my scenario, the hider just died due to hiding behind a mafia. So there is no living hider.

[Litten]

If they shoot hider and we only kill town we end up in lylo with one confined town still

[Litten]

yes
you see the problem?
there is no one to vouch for the person the true hider hid behind

[Litten]

and the hider can only be in the box, because that’s what PRe are instructed to do
And if a mafia fakes hider, they die in lylo along with their partner

[Marluna]

And how you know, the hider died in that scenario?