Yawn man did we get any check?
Also I could claim something that might be semi-useful
but it doesn’t make anyone look good/bad aorn, only later in the game
Bionic greenchecked me
I saw Marluna visit Bionic last night
Bionic claims voyeur who saw an investigative on Bionic
sulit (4): WindwardAway, Bionic, Apocryphal, tutuu
Bionic (2): Luxy, Phraze
SirDerpsAlot (2): Frostwolf103, bystander
Apocryphal (2): SirDerpsAlot, sheepsaysmeepNot Voting (5): LittleLee, Creature, Zugzwang, sulit, Marluna
I haven’t caught up completely but why are the three names after me voting sulit? Independent reasoning? Or sheeping?
Cause I didn’t actually write a case on sulit when I voted today lol, I just wanted to see what would happen if I did
Like frost and derps are both kinda low in the “towny posts” category but my gut says they’re town too
Idk how much I trust my gut honestly, but I’m a little wary that this is more or less the consensus. That they’re kinda sus but not openly wolfy. And I guess that’s partly why I think sulit is more sus than derps, which is not exactly a fair read since we only have Hippo’s flip. Which reminds me I wanted to double check something from eod.
Ftr I kinda think derps is townier than frost if we’re comparing
sulit:i isoed hippo
im not feeeeeeeelin it not gonna lie
sulit:like im not feelin the kill there
I’m having a hard time figuring out if sulit didn’t like the hippo wagon because they were legitimately in favor of the derps wagon, or if they were just the wolf at eod who decided to not jump on a runaway cfd to town.
sulit:i mean ngl id go marluna
Like this is a bit odd when sulit was in favor of derps over phraze, and then they also said earlier:
sulit:i mean yea i look for towny posts but I’m not voting for someone bc I don’t find any
ill vote for someone if I think they’re a wolf
but I don’t really think they had a reason to suspect marluna except for lack of towniness?
or maybe I should check the post timing, I wish I could multi-iso but im just sitting here looking at sulit’s iso and feel like I’m being ungenerous because I don’t want to slog through the surrounding posts lol
tutuu:how about this
frostwolf sulit
and then either apo bys
or 2/3 from creature lee phraze
I don’t think it has to be one of apo/bys, though
Really unsure about the slanker category but I kinda don’t think it’s phraze now and I’m also less inclined to think it’s creature
Is Marluna out of slank tier? I’m not really sure I know how to read them, but postcount isn’t typically relevant anyway for them. I think their posts were ok the last time I checked, but I heard someone say they felt pop-in at eod was sus?
Creature:Oh well
Then I don’t know where to go
Frost/Derps maybe?
See, a part of me keeps saying “well yes but actually no” because these two names come up a lot when people are asked for their scumreads
To the point where I’d suspect wolves are also saying frost/derps
Meaning I’m not convinced they aren’t just agenda pushes
Yeah I’ve seen it in quite a few games
Speaking of which, what’s your take on sulit insisting that you’re a wolf
Ok
They haven’t really said much today yet but yesterday they kept insisting that you were the best wagon choice
I said I thought you were a null and not necessarily scum but sulit was arguing otherwise and saying I should trust their read I think
Do you know if sulit has a good track record in reading you?
Creature:Yeah, but sometimes it can be a rule of two where a town and a wolf are paired together but only the town name is seriously pushed
I’ve been paying attention to how often each of Frost/Derps is brought up individually
I feel like most people who scumread Derps also said they’d be willing to yeet Frost
But there are people who did not seem to scumread Derps who still have Frost in their PoE, I think. And I find Derps currently townier than Frost, so i don’t really think I’m convinced that there’s a wolf putting one of those names in as their partner unless their partner is Frost and they just feel like echoing the general sentiment of “PoE because not towny” which imo is a poor reason to scumread Frost.
Yeah but that’s not even a ro3 it’s just 2 names so I have my doubts
if you mean the Frost/Derps thing
sulit:i dont rlly like those wwa takes lol
i obviously don’t have that attitude if you look at my posts
Yeah but honestly I can’t remember any other pushes you made yesterday
I’d be less concerned about sulit if I could remember more of her posts
Idk if they’re not memorable or if I’m just having very bad selective memory on her slot
I’m also like not good at reading her so I wouldn’t advise people to sheep me lol
sulit:dt hippo is outside of wolf range at all
This one I agreed with iirc
It was early in the day sulit:I think derps is wolf but ok what other options
This is more or less the only solid scumread I thought sulit had yesterday
Cause I remember her vetoing the luxy wagon, concluding hippo wasn’t wolfy enough, and preferring derps over phraze sulit:d vote phraze too if they’re polarized
but im salty that u guys are fine with phraze and not derps
Was willing to vote phraze but salty that everyone else was willing to vote phraze over derps
sulit:I’d vote from phraze or Marluna atp
Ok actually she did say this
sulit:ngl I’d be down for a hippo wagon
but I’d feel bad I like playing with hippo
Hippo mention again, before she made her final call on his wagon
sulit:im not stubborn tho ill move my vote
I didn’t see this earlier when I said sulit was insisting on voting derps so I guess that was unfair of me
sulit:i isoed hippo
im not feeeeeeeelin it not gonna lie
There’s her verdict on hippo
sulit:i mean ngl id go marluna
I should check if this was before or after marluna reappeared
And then sulit left her vote on derps and that was it for yesterday
I gotta go to the office but I’ll be back later
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WindwardAway:And then sulit left her vote on derps and that was it for yesterday
[/quote]Hmm
VOTE: Sulit
Don’t count on clearing Derps of it yet
I wouldn’t clear derps off of a preflip lol, don’t worry.
As it stands I currently think he’s townier than sulit, though.
I haven’t evaluated whether I think they can be w/w, I’ll deal with that IF it becomes relevant but it’s not my first inclination.
And I’m still uncertain on sulit, I’d appreciate opinions but apparently when I voted sulit, people just followed instead of starting a discussion about it.
tutuu:Those frost posts seemed town to me
Damn who are the wolves. Creature wolf? Can we wagon sulit and creature
What’s your reason for thinking sulit is a wolf, are you sheeping me or do you have independent reasons?
sulit:i have to get ready for and go to work
if its slow ill play there
these are my clears out of POE atm
luxy
littlelee
derps
marluna
zugz
sheep@Zugzwang I will get back to you when I get I chance I promise
I think it’s interesting (and not in a wolfy way) that sulit’s clears look way different from the consensus
Cause the consensus is either following me or has reached similar conclusions, which makes me think if sulit is town, she’s more correct and I’m probably about to misexe a bunch of villagers if my readlist is that borked
Problem is I just don’t know if I think sulit is town. It’s not because she’s been lower activity, and it’s not because I flat-out disagree with her reads. It’s that I’m not convinced she’s been in the thread enough to actually have these names as clears.
sheepsaysmeep:If sulit is scum do u think it says anything about the list of people?
More likely to contain a wolf or two, I think
iirc sulit can be a competent wolf but she used to freeze up and struggle to post
My problem with reading her is that I remember finding her wolfy multiple times when she was town, and the only wolf game I witnessed (or at least that I remember wasn’t a mash) was where I was on her team and we had a very unfair distribution of power roles. It was one of those games where you draft your role and town got all of the good power roles except for the dayvig, and we had a dayvig and a rolecop, but one of us got redchecked immediately, I got tracked to the kill, and sulit kinda lost wim and died the last surviving wolf was the lost wolf whom we never correctly identified lol.
sheepsaysmeep:Don’t read this yet, my own answer to my question
my interpretation is sulit w would make the squishier names on the list town like marluna/derps, I think since sulit has minimal influence her being wolf trying to boost her buddies up is less likely than like trying to use tmi to get cred
Oh you meant more specifically, oops
Yeah I agree with you. When I said I thought her list would likely contain a wolf or two, I meant the ones with potential to powerwolf.
sheepsaysmeep:Another addendum if sulit is scum and there’s some consensus-y town that’s not on her list that person is probably scum lmao
Idk if anyone actually could fit that besides like Windward or like me lol
Honestly part of me is relieved I’m not on her townlist because I think at least it logically tracks with her progression on me
sulit:If it helps I isoed all those players this morning lol
Kind of? Like it is objectively a decent list of names to ISO
I’ve iso’d all of them as well but mostly overnight or yesterday
I might do some digging later, before we hit eod
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WindwardAway:Feels a bit jumpy to say that one of sulit/Derps is a wolf but that’s what I’ve been thinking overnight
[/quote] WindwardAway:Also derps was still a wagon, maybe now is a good time to scrutinize him more
WindwardAway:Yeah I also thought it was hard for a wolf to come up with that
I think its moderately intriguing that the first two posts were like 15 min apart from the second one, which I feel like don’t really line up with each other.
Isn’t that what scrutinizing means, though?
I’m not looking for reasons to scumread you, I’m looking to see how much points in your favor and how much points against you. Cause I haven’t really found you scummy.
Also I still think sulit is a wolf so if you guys want me as a counterwagon then sure, I’ll take it
I’m not convinced frost’s claim makes him town but I do think zug had a valid point that maybe frost’s thoughts about the rhea kill don’t come from a wolf
I thought frost was asking if anyone thought there could be a wolf in there, because if it’s correct then Rhea is more likely to be a kill target (?)
or at least that’s how I read it
I went and ISO’d frost again for good measure and saw the post he made yesterday where he used one of Rhea’s big posts to catch himself up on the thread
Which imo tracks very well with townreading her and wondering why she wasn’t protected last night
I also noticed there was a huge chunk of posts from today that I apparently never saw kinda late to read everything now cause ideally I’d like to go to sleep within the next half hour, and I’d rather real-time and spitball reads with whoever is around until then.
Frostwolf103:I have explained in one of my posts, that Rhea have made three wolf leans correct?
Yeah you did, but I think that was one of her earlier readlists. Cause she made some changes, for example, I was one of her early wolf leans but she moved me up to town later in the day. (I’m not trying to convince you to townread me, I’m just saying that I noticed it wasn’t the most recent list)
I’m looking at the wagons and I feel both comfortable and paranoid about my vote on sulit:
Comfortable, because at this point I can say with more decisiveness than earlier that she is one of my bigger scumleans.
Paranoid, because if she’s not a wolf, then who scum? Presumably one voter on her wagon, maybe more, but if both sulit and Frost are town then who fucking knows.
There’s like no point in preflipping or association reading because I don’t have enough confidence in reading sulit in the first place. I’ve been asking you guys if you had individual reads on sulit but either I missed your replies or nobody gave me an explanation, which greatly worries me. I won’t jump to conclude that sulit is town by wagonomics, though, since there’s been a buildup on Frost since then, and I don’t know whether that would be town or wolf motivated
Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk, I’ll stop thought vomiting because it’s probably not instilling confidence in anyone
I keep asking myself, if I had to move off of sulit, who else would I vote? And I don’t even have an answer for that. I’m not even that tunneled, I’m just out of ideas.
Anyway I’ll just stay where I am probably and agree to take the fall if sulit flips town because I seem to be the only one who gave a reason to vote her in the first place
I’m just annoyed
Luxy:On a more serious note, at least it backs up what sulit said about having ISO’d the people he put in his townreads I guess?
Yeah but she also could’ve iso’d on the spot to make that post, there’s no way to tell
I’m gonna be completely honest and say I agreed with a number of her points on what she said was towny for you but something still felt odd to me, like the post felt more like “look how towny Luxy is” rather than being an explanation on how she built her read on you
But I’m also willing to admit I’m probably just confbiasing because I can’t actually read sulit correctly like ever
SirDerpsAlot:Im telling yall wind is a wolf fr
You would be very wrong
I don’t particularly care if I’m wagoned, though, I’m not an important role
sulit:also im no longer comfortable taking WWA out of my POE
I liked where their thoughts were going with me but then they said they were more confident I was a wolf now
so womp womp get omgused
Wolfy
I’m more confident you’re a wolf because I’m less confident anyone else is a wolf
That should be obvious from my posts
Also I suck at reading you, I actually voted you today at first just as an experiment to see who would sheep it
I got my answer for that but I wasn’t comfortable moving anywhere else and I feel like your earlier posts were better and your later posts have been worse
Also this is gonna sound idiotic, but if by any chance Derps is a vig and he vigs me, do NOT lunch him for it.
It happened at least once before where I was consensus town and Derps just up and decided I had to be deepwolfing and said he was going to vig me. So I said in the thread that people should at all costs keep him alive even if that happens. Well, he vigged me, I flipped town, and people misyeeted him and he also flipped town which was not great for having not killed a single wolf up to that point iirc.
Yeah that’s my point lol
Anyway I think it was super towny he decided to tinfoil me today when absolutely nobody was shading me
I think it’s wolfy that sulit decided to hop onto that suspicion
Anyway I kinda wanna go to bed so my sleep schedule isn’t totally borked, I would’ve liked to wait to see if sulit and frost had more to say but I’m already up later than I planned to be.
If sulit claims, just evaluate it for yourselves and make a judgement call on whether she should be wagoned or not
I think roles are NAI and I assume she isn’t a vig, so beyond that, roles don’t matter to me
I don’t want to be protected tonight. If I die, it’s ok (and on the bright side you won’t have to tinfoil me lol).
It’s not towny considering that’s almost exactly how I see wolves push on town!Frost quite often
Problem is just that we don’t know Frost’s alignment lol
Tempted to say that if he’s town, we should probably kill Marluna for those posts
SirDerpsAlot:these wagons suck and wolves have clearly made no attempt to powerwolf because they don’t need to powerwolf to lead people rn
Yeah but where the fuck else should the wagons be? If we dissolved both the top wagons rn who would you suggest to replace them? Sulits wagon is like, me, plus people sheeping me for whatever reason. Frost’s wagon is idk but I think I like it less.
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WindwardAway:Yeah but where the fuck else should the wagons be?
[/quote]If you agree why arent you trying harder to find the right wagon
Because I still think sulit should be a wagon lol, I only half agree
And mostly because of my read
I don’t like the wagonomics but I’d like to think I’m right
SirDerpsAlot:youre engaging a lot but I havent actually seen you attempt to push anything new or different yourself
Me? Wdym, I started the Bionic wagon earlier today and I also started the sulit wagon. Neither of those existed before I voted there, and people followed. It doesn’t mean I LIKE when people follow my votes, but you can’t say I haven’t pushed anything new or different.
I’m not going to push anything new or different when I think I’m voting a wolf, wtf
We can even play kingmaker with this if you want to hold me accountable for a sulit flip
Yes please draw your own conclusions on sulit
I will not move my vote but I would like people to actually think for themselves if they’re town
WindwardAway:Oh do I have to leave a readlist again
I hate formatting these on mobile
I’m not gonna tier them, fuck formatting
Frostwolf103 - nulltown or townlean Littlelee - townread Phraze - townread Creature - null...town? Apocryphal - townread Luxy - nulltown Zugzwang - townlean but have paranoia on him for Reasons Tutuu - townread Bionic - null sheepsaysmeep - townread sulit - scumlean SirDerpsALot - townread bystander - townlean or maybe townread, mild paranoia Marluna - nullscum
See how you can see how bad my readlist actually looks, this is why I’m saying not to sheep me
I really shouldn’t pull out the paranoia reads now, just ignore them until D4 or so. This is just in case I die tonight.
I don’t really wanna repeat myself but I explained earlier that I don’t want derps killed if I get vigged or flipped just because he’s pushing me
I dont think he is agenda pushing me because absolutely nobody except for maybe sulit is interested in joining him
And even sulit sort of walked it back so idk
bystander:ok i havea. theory but
actually this MIGHT be a huge reach but w/e w/e ima state my thoughts
like phraze (who i think is town)
was basically tr for doing the thing frost did just now, which is vote a vanity wagon
kind of feels like he saw that and tried it out??
since theres no good progression frim sulit → lee which feels more like a “shrugish” readIf anything I feel like frost didn’t see it or else didn’t care
I can’t argue that he’s been towny which is unfortunate, I just feel like he doesn’t care enough about how he comes across to be a wolf
I don’t remember the last time I saw a wolf game from him, I just remember he’s always wolfy and getting pushed as town, and that one game where he was a 3p I was correct he was uninformed and being agenda pushed by wolves but I was incorrect that he was town
Has anyone else seen a recent frost scum game and can compare it or nah?
I’m guessing the answer is no but might as well ask
SirDerpsAlot:your worldview is also bad, because even if the top two wagons are wolf theirs still 2 other wolves so clearly they are somewhere other than these two
I swear sometimes I’ve been told that you need exactly X number of wolf reads and other times I’ve been told I have too many or too few
I don’t blame bystander for not having exactly whatever number of wolves we’re supposed to have, but I assume you’re just gonna say we must be partners so whatever
I could vote Bionic but not if it makes frostwolf flip
Frostwolf103 (4): bystander, Marluna, sheepsaysmeep, Bionic
Bionic (3): Luxy, SirDerpsAlot, sulit
sulit (2): WindwardAway, tutuu
Apocryphal (1): Phraze
LittleLee (1): Frostwolf103
SirDerpsAlot (1): ApocryphalNot Voting (3): LittleLee, Creature, Zugzwang
Wow wtf you guys all unvoted the sulit wagon after (oh, surprise) not having an actual reason to be there I WONDER WHY THAT IS
SirDerpsAlot:what
I don’t want a frost flip
But realized after saying that, that Sulits wagon is basically dead since tutuu is likely asleep
Yeah i thought sulit and frost were still the too wagons and if I moved to you it would just split the sulit wagon so frost would be top
. Ignore me I should just look at votes before saying anything
You know what, no, I’m gonna be stubborn and not move my vote
I think wolves are in the thread now so I’m just gonna let that be someone else’s problem
Sayonara
sheepsaysmeep:Windward how confident are u in frost town?
U guys are gonna make me read massive bionic iso and marluna iso and everything?
Not super confident, but I believe more that sulit is a wolf, than I believe that frost is any particular alignment
Idk if that makes sense I feel more confident in my sulit read than my frost read
As I said, you can freely wagon or vig me if sulit flips town
sheepsaysmeep:Ike if I look around and still find frost scummiest do u veto it / actively want him to get more time
I guess if u have to go I can just look thru ur posts if the need arises
It’s hard to say cause I don’t think anything particular of his role claim
I just think it’s unfair for ME to scumread frost for being wolfy when he is always wolfy as any alignment, that’s just how his tone is
Marluna did say that frost is more aggressive as town but tbh I don’t think Marluna is towny and it kinda sounds like she’s a wolf pushing frost as LHF
I also thought that frost’s weird interaction with me about hippo or whatever yesterday was so nonsensical it was towny for him in particular
I’m gonna say no
Not because she isn’t a good option
But because I’m stubborn and I want sulit’s flip
She has been omgusing me in varying amounts depending on when I say I think she’s wolfy or towny and it’s really irking me
Latest example was when I said I was reasonably comfortable voting her despite not being fully confident in the read, and then derps said he was tinfoiling me and sulit was like yeah wind scummy and put me back in her poe
I am completely fine with dying tomorrow if I’m wrong on sulit, doesn’t matter how confident I am
I am just gonna be stubborn about this wagon because all the votes there following mine were sheeping without any justification or individual read, then when I asked like an hour or two ago they all hopped off except tutuu who’s asleep, and now I am telling you I think it’s a wolf wagon.
And as I said I will take the shit for it if I’m wrong!
What’s wrong with that? If I’m powerwolfing and sulit is town, you still get a 1:1.
If I’m town and I’m right, you probably also get a 1:1 since I’m more likely to flip after that.
FYI if I’m right and sulit flips wolf, I will reevaluate Luxy and see if I still think he’s town.
I might? look at Creature again but tbh I think he could go either way, he’s got some towny posts but some wolfy, I’m thinking null-nulltown
If I’m wrong and sulit flips town I would probably start with looking for tmi
Maybe look at Bionic cause his post calling all of sulit’s posts fine was just weird tbh
And if you guys flip frostwolf instead then I guess I’ll start over on my reads depending on what his flip is
It doesn’t matter if I veto his wagon, you guys have two hours to do whatever you want while I’m gone so my responsibility for who you decide to flip is gone and the only responsibility I’ll have is whether my reads are right or wrong
I thought I was relying too much on meta reads but I think it’s only Derps, Apo, Phraze and maaaaybe Frost that I’m reading off of meta, but I think Apo might be the only one who is 100% a meta read because everyone else also had posts I could say I found towny for this game
Luxy:I also think Bionic/sulit could be partnered as I think t!Bionic would’ve kept pushing sulit there when they were forced to not just sheep
That’s also what I thought but then I noticed the sulit wagon was replaced with a Bionic wagon and idk what to think of it
Derps I don’t have the energy to argue with you, you’re town so I don’t really care
Everyone else can go read sulit’s posts for themselves and decide whether they agree with me or not
Wind’s posts around Derps, Frost and sulit - putting it in one place so I can read through it
overnight thought dump
@Bionic who did you check and why?
I’d be willing to vote marluna but I’ll wait to make sure she’s not a clear (and then decide if I believe Bionic anyway)
Sorry about sulit, as I said feel free to vote me out for it. I was probably tunneling her towards eod, I went to check the flip in the morning thinking Bionic could’ve been a wolf for the wagon kinda appearing and disappearing on him, but then remembered I formed a wagon on him earlier and it dissipated so idk. And then saw his claim anyway so I guess it wouldn’t have been that wise to yeet him.
And ftr I probably would’ve moved off of sulit for her claim cause it wasn’t actually a bad choice of action but because she thought it was, it felt towny (yeah I know, hindsight 20/20).
On the other hand I feel like I should sheep sulit’s Luxy read because she was confident in it and maybe have another look at bystander. I was side-eyeing her for shifting the wagon to Hippo on D1 but other than that I didn’t really get any wolfy vibes from her. Maybe I should reevaluate?
Kinda wondering if Frost really is a wolf and I’m just bad and wrong, but first I want to hear who he targeted last night. I didn’t like the look of his wagon at eod but it’s hard to say where the wolves were since idk what alignment Frost is (or Bionic, for that matter). Ngl I am kind of hoping the vig takes him out at the time of writing this, since he was the counterwagon. (I am not the N2 vig, I was just fake softing in the hopes of baiting any wolf roleblocks or jails so that the vig could get their shot off, since I could also act and would be able to tell if I get blocked. Which is why I pinged Frost and told him not to jail me.)
On another note, I find Zugzwang to have wolfy EoDs. The rest of his posts look fine, but the way he’s been making his final calls at EoD for two days now is really suspicious to me. He’s my main powerwolf candidate.
I feel like out of the two players who have been consistently sheeping me (tutuu and sheepsaysmeep), one of them is probably a wolf, and theyre in my blind spot because I can’t scrutinize their reasoning if it’s just a sheep vote. What are people’s current thoughts on them? If it’s a case of town leading town off a cliff then I’m super sorry, but I think logic states one of them (or else the others who randomly hop on and off the wagon Im voting) has to be a wolf?
Also, I think I probably nailed this in with the sulit flip, but please don’t just sheep me today?? Just because I’m obvtown doesn’t mean my accuracy is good.
Ok so who blocked me last night?
@Frostwolf103 did you jail me?
Oh man, the formatting
How do you collapse the text wtf
There’s no shortcut button on mobile
Also, I thought the vig would shoot the counterwagon?
Sorry I edited the tags to collapse that post cause it was ugly and too long
Whatever though, I tried my best yesterday and it was clearly Not Good so I’m fine with being voted out today
I have no night results and I led a mislunch
I tagged Bionic to ask who he copped but it got swallowed by the collapsed text block
Bionic greenchecked me
I saw Marluna visit Bionic last night
Bionic claims voyeur who saw an investigative on Bionic
Wtf does that mean
I thought I caught a wolf mechanically but I didn’t
Actually
Wind, Creature, Marluna, Frost
Are you actually wolfing or what
I should probably not catch up in backwards order because none of that made sense to me
Good idea
this is handy thanks
That’s not the reason I think Wind is a wolf
I think Wind is a wolf for SDA dying there instead of her
That’s so dumb, of course I wasn’t gonna die when my only real scumread flipped town
In what world is SDA the nightkill with you, Zugz and sheep still alive
Unless he was correct