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[Millium]

@wrongboy

I could also post the reads list I had made but I never fully fleshed that out. it does have some other thoughts though

that would also be appreciated

[wrongboy]

actually there is one other big reason i’m town. i. will have to talk to may on whether it should be revealed though.

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[Achromatic]

So, the reason I have on May being town is quite simply I know from experience i could look like a complete, giant, anti-town piece of shit who spent all day badly tunneling the day 1 chop and they STILL fear killed me night one. it was a infamous example of me playing badly day 1, fucking up, defending half the scum team, and may in scum chat was still like “nah, fuck that” and i died night one to everyone’s surprise.

Given may is half that hydra, I can’t imagine may as scum doing any other thing than shoving me off a cliff n1 given i was super disadvantaged that game.

So yeah, that slot imo is spewed town because i wasnt the n1 kill. This can obviously now be used as wifom in the future, but there you go.

[wrongboy]

d1

sirderpsalot - strong town

0. I like 185. It feels like there’s thoughts under the surface. You can’t actually confbias as mafia and the third response
   (to tutuu) only makes sense in a wolfreading tutuu world. which makes sense given their later post

1. there aaaaaaaaaare a few things that ping me tho tbhhtbhtbhthtb
   like 197
   since that doesn’t really feel like a town response to someone they think is a wolf
   it feels like a wolf’s perspective
   and more minor of a point is some incongrouous posts. like 198 and the ones tutuu called strangely aggressive. they’re. “how can you townread someone whose posts warp strangely”.

2. {hidden} In 640, he says Kii is almost locktown but he can’t elaborate why; presumably this is for role-related reasons.
   The conversation previous was about roles, and Derps had previously said #582, which suggests he has such a modifier, and he believes that Kii has a similar modifier which is the cause of his stuff.

Psyaryu - town

0. 594 is mildly towny for a new player. As it shows a perspective of thinking he’d be nightkilled.

1. {hidden} Psyaryu also said his role is not very confirmable in #711. In general, for new players it’s a major towntell to reveal role information early under no/little pressure.

kiiruma - medium town

0. In #625, claims to be able to confirm himself town if he is given enough time.
   He claims his role has some modifier that delays this. Unsure how much I believe this yet. But it’s probably ~always optimal
   to let this just self-resolve.

frostwolf103 - medium town

0. Unsure what to think of frost overall rn. I did find it a little suspicious for him to be assuming I was trying to clear myself early on, and I don’t fully get his TR on me. However many people are TRing him including May so I’ll sheep that for now.

1. {hidden} According to May, Frost loves to soft/claim his role as town. However, as wolf, last game it was very hard for May to get Frost to put together a coherent claim. So May thinks w!Frost would not so openly soft his role like he did in 767.
   Also he’s softing invest which is a claim to better resolve later.

idot - lean town

0. looking back I like 126
   being unable to articulate thoughts requires. having those thoughts
   obviously fakable but mmmmmmmm
   i should ask for elaboration again there

1. 391 is pretty towny
   for one theres the mention of hydra chat discussion
   which yeah while fakeable is pretty annoying / time consuming to fake, in my experience
   also finding everyone towny rn is kinda a mindmeld

2. explanation for read on frost is decent; while rereading some of their posts before that original thought I can see what they mean

hal - lean town

0. hal has vaguely scary vibes
   feels. confident
   not wolfy but scary
   i get the impression they’ll be hard to read
   haven’t really gotten pings either way

1. null reading the derp
   feels believable enough but it could pretty easily be genuine from scum

2. Millium TRs hal for meta reasons. The interaction between the two also doesn’t feel w/w and if there’s a wolf there it’s probably Millium. nya nya nya nya nya no one is reading this anyway

Someone - light town

0. 837 mentions gar thinks achro/someone had a w/w interaction
   Looking back on it I can see why they’d think that but meh
   I’d have to look over Someone’s vibes again to see if that’s a deviation from their normal tone. Last game doesn’t really count because they were wolf. So probably just wait until they have more posts here.

1. May thinks that someone doesn’t feel like they did when he wolfed with him. Sheeping this for d1

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sultanofslam - light town

0. May thinks Sultan was towny for something. She doesn’t remember for what though
   As for myself I find him null rn

millium - null

0. has an aggressive vibe that reminds me of her in Stratagem-13.

crescent - null

achromatic - null

0. I don’t really have much meaningful thoughts on Achro’s alignment.
   I suspect it’ll come down to (correct/dead) → town, and (wrong/alive) → wolf.
   Would very much say to policy him if he’s alive lategame without much pelt (and without anything else to explain it eg protectives).

1. I’m getting the impression Achro might be mafia slanking to give him a plausible enough excuse to not be dead later.

beancat - null

0. {hidden} Beancat claims their role is good in 1608. This is. Interesting. Scum would also claim this though, of course. They don’t really have a reason to claim a weaker role.

IfGodCouldDie - 0 poster

Kabazame - 0 poster

d2

atlas - strong town

0. 2028 is a towny post. I don’t think a wolf simulating their town self goes ‘oh actually idk if my old town self would be this confident’.

1. 2200 is also towny
   taking stuff from cookie thread feels. like it’s real solving that is in her real mind. rather than simulated ‘this is what I think I would think’ or ‘this is the agenda I need to push’.

2. Atlas also feels. very Reasonable. Her confidence / lack thereof is something I’m feeling quite a bit. and they’re assuming a much needed town leader archetype.

millium - strong town

kiiruma - medium town

idot - lean town

crescent - lean town

Psyaryu - light town

frostwolf103 - light town

hal - light town

achromatic - null

0. {hidden} Achro appears to be softing that he gave weak to Kii. Or possibly he was in the neighborhood at night, and someone else gave weak to Kii.

beancat - null

trisscar - null

sultanofslam - null

the spoilers on reads without thoughts are because this is from a program and I had not considered making them not spoiler when they have no thoughts. I should. probably do that

i’m showing the hidden thoughts here because they’re all outdated role stuff anyway

I used this as something in between a notepad and a reads list. hence why some thoughts are justifications for the reads, while others are more of random observations. also I didn’t enter much other than tiers d2 hence why that was pretty empty. I do plan to use it more in future games though because it did prove helpful for remembering some reasons that I’d forgot.

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[Millium]

okay wrongboy is town

[wrongboy]

Summary

@Atlas

any comments about what happened, then?

@wrongboy

i’m at you/millium town rn
i don’t think the mech on frost is clearing but May TRs him for it and we are. yet to sort that
still want to hear more from Kii on his mech. i will say more when we responds

Idot I feel has pings both ways
Overall, I don’t understand how tutuu consistently gives off an impression of confidence, especially given her play last game where she was kinda timid and sheeped a lot
There are various individual posts from them I townread though

(i have more thoughts but I will let you respond to these as I type them)

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@wrongboy

that’s what i was meaning

@Atlas

im sure i heard already, but what more do you wanna know?

what do you think of him sans mech?

honestly not. a lot of thoughts
if I ignore meta he’s disconnected from the game and he’s been wolfy at times
however his meta as town is to be low-posting/efforting apparently. so.

his vibes are like he was last game though
i’ve never seen him wolf so i’m wary of just taking that at face value, but the way he’s asking to be found as town very closely mimics how he was talking to me at the end of stellaris when I scumread and pushed him

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@wrongboy

anyway as for other thoughts.

I find triss’s mafia philosophy stuff interesting. I’d have to go back to see how/if it gets applied though. Fwiw May is the one who placed the vote there, and though i don’t have plans to move it rn, I’m at roughly the same place there as with other slots.

I. don’t have much hope of reading Bean myself tbh, given they don’t tend to. post much.
I’ll probably have to sheep my townreads there. though that requires finding more townreads. i’m not convinced anymore by the ‘i’m an important role’ because like. it’s a very easy and flexible claim for mafia and it’s also pretty easy for town to overestimate their role.

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@wrongboy

oh also psy exists.

psy is. If they were a new player, like, fully new to social deduction, I’d TR them, but they’ve played a lot of ToS and some other stuff so. I think what they’ve done is pretty fakeable

stuff like:

@Psyaryu

So I am a town person and there is almost no way for me to prove that given my current role. How am I suppose to defend my self when everything thinks I am a wolfie?

(I feel that a new wolf probably asks this in wolf chat or tries to. blend in)

plus mentioning their role would be very towny (even saying it’s not confirmable) but they have played other games so i’m less sure on that. probably still >rand town though to limit their options

I do think that if they’re town they’ll be findable soon enough
we do know they’re definitely new to forum mafia based on what Derps said
overall rn I think they’re lean town but I am. not confident

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this stuff, in response to atlas, would be hard for me to come up with as wolf in the timespan I did. whereas I could write them as town because they were already all floating around in my head as I tried to solve

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[Millium]

im going outside for a smoke, and then im going to do tutuu, need to keep myself awake lol

[wrongboy]

@Achromatic

So, the reason I have on May being town is quite simply I know from experience i could look like a complete, giant, anti-town piece of shit who spent all day badly tunneling the day 1 chop and they STILL fear killed me night one. it was a infamous example of me playing badly day 1, fucking up, defending half the scum team, and may in scum chat was still like “nah, fuck that” and i died night one to everyone’s surprise.

Which game was that again

[wrongboy]

Wild West 2. I checked

[Millium]

@Achromatic
Do urself next, why are u town

[Achromatic]

I’m more of a snide dick as town than I am as scum to my friends.

I do not go out of my way to pocket you and then troll your vig shot I go “wisp, we can do it! come on! work with me!” or some generic shit idk you’ve seen me do it 1000 times but it’s hard to think of it in the moment until its too late.

[wrongboy]

@Achromatic

So, the reason I have on May being town is quite simply I know from experience i could look like a complete, giant, anti-town piece of shit who spent all day badly tunneling the day 1 chop and they STILL fear killed me night one. it was a infamous example of me playing badly day 1, fucking up, defending half the scum team, and may in scum chat was still like “nah, fuck that” and i died night one to everyone’s surprise.

Given may is half that hydra, I can’t imagine may as scum doing any other thing than shoving me off a cliff n1 given i was super disadvantaged that game.

So yeah, that slot imo is spewed town because i wasnt the n1 kill. This can obviously now be used as wifom in the future, but there you go.

My nightkill habits are maybe non-optimal. I’m not sure how much I regret that one, though. People just don’t execute you! They never do! I’m similar on my home site; wolves love to keep me alive, “oh May looks so bad surely they’ll execute her soon”, and I just keep talking and talking and talking and so long as there’s enough of a Words Gap between me and everybody else I never die. And the wolves just keep putting off killing me as I slowly get more correct. I should play good here. Why don’t I play good here

[Millium]

Who else is a wolf other than idot?

[wrongboy]

@wrongboy

so long as there’s enough of a Words Gap between me and everybody else I never die

I almost got executed without being redchecked for the first time over there… as mech town, because they wanted to hand a 3P executioner on me a win. Why the hell don’t I play good on FoL it’s not even entirely an environment thing I can look at my posts here versus there and go yeah the ones here are worse. Well I won’t dwell on it until postgame. Only mafia to play for now

[Millium]

You dont play on FoL, FoL plays you

[Achromatic]

I think Triss might be a mirror, that’d be dope. Also their reasoning for voting me is pretty shit tbh. Just talking out of their ass with game logic in order to justify voting for me.

Sultan’s been really lethargic this entire game which i think is very scummy for him, he hasn’t been interacting with me as much as he should as town.

Psy could be 3p, I guess? It’d line up with them doing jack shit but also not really knowing how to handle me.

[Achromatic]

I remember my first game on fol people were telling me i had a big ego and I shouldn’t be so confident.

just like mtgs.

memories

[Millium]

I mean yes i equate u being an ass to yojr town game more so then your wolf game, but i think your wolf game has a lot of you making good town reads, and pushing votes on specific town for bad reasons.

And while i think its unfair to say u should always be right, i think you have had a dtrong hand in killing town, too much for liking, and im not going to read you off your treatment of me, bevause i know ur wolf game could easily have me tied up saying “yes senpai” to everything u say

[wrongboy]

I just feel like I’ve been going downhill and downhill. I think it’s mostly perception. I remember my confidence in postgame and not my doubts. My winrate has absolutely gone way up. But I feel less impressed by my play. My town play, at least. It feels like it’s been so long since I’ve genuinely made a read or deduction I’m proud of.

[wrongboy]

No moping midgame. I’m going to bed now.