there was conversion but only One
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jesterboy
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wait you were in that game Litten
Dunno what game we are even referring to
I remember those ops tho yeah
I pulled the list from LotR FM
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Think Luxy hosted games like that
Was it hosted by Luxy
Yeah
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how did I remember that Lmao
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I dinsrinctly remember being annoyed by these ops and Luxy came to mind
Like, even in this case, you could think the following: Sultan didnât murder all the players who opposed him, he Just Survived, and he won because he Survived. I donât win cause I survive! Thatâs no fair!
If he were a SK, it might be functionally the same wincon, but the nightkill kind of⌠gives more agency in the victory, it feels much more like he outplayed you at mafia and therefore you lost to a skill issue rather than a design issue.
I donât actually think the role was unfair, but thatâs, like, what I think could be the source of feelings of unfairness about it.
And thatâs with Sultan having a very SK-y role (which is a big part of why I think it was pretty fair overall). I think hte problem is amplified 1000x when the role wants to do something that is perpendicular to or even against the usual goals of mafia. Jesters suck because you did your job! You killed non-town! And they punished you for it because the host decided it was so! Thatâs a lot like a book I read once called 1984.
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I think why I was so peeved because at some point it became a cop out to copy the op and to blame any bad mechanics on the may condition
Once I become a reviewer you can do this again
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hang on, I think town could maybe have still won on the last day? depending on who Sultan had infected (was it everyone?)
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Okay bad reply
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no wait nvm I miscounted
sultanâs wincon was game-ending
unless you are talking in the world where zone made it not game-ending
edit: i have entirely misread your post 
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it was a 2 v 1 v 2
kill mafia and sultan auto wins f4
kill sultan and mafia win by parity
they could have gotten both the neutral and a mafia modkilled if they wanted to win though
dunno why town didnât try that