Town of Salem 3: Traitors Within - Signups (18/18) - FULL

no role with the :star2:

All Investigative are Unique? :joy:

yes

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Ok

Oh, Marshal only scares malicious intent, not one of all actions.
I might be losing my mind, cause I thought it was one of any actions ins specified order.

That isā€¦ straight improved doctor?
Unless mafia has janitor, but like still.

The thing is - I was accepting Jackal retrain with thought that roles like Marshal can still protect from investigations and so on.
If it canā€™t - Doctor is pointless, cause no one will kill your fellow jackal-mafia member. At least you get one self care.
Marshal is pointless, cause you donā€™t want to protect anyone buy your fellow jackal member. I guess you save them of escorts.
Traper - similar - you wonā€™t get much cause they wonā€™t be attacked, you get to know a role, but thatā€™s weakest, since people are gonna rush claiming (or being found out by mafia) anyway

With amnesiac and retributionist pretty much being able to select same non-unique rolesā€¦

That leaves escort as only retrain which is positive team impact. Huh.

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So the issue is marshal is not scaring away investigative at some high priority.
And that most investigative are unique, which doesnā€™t allow retrain into them.

Huh.

Iffy.

Sheriffs can, cause they compare wincons.
Consig has to be able to go as sheriff usually. (as there is no invest).

Not like he will be bussing, but itā€™s bit uncoherent this way.
The other way might be just worse tho.

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i mean

you donā€™tā€¦ have to claim sheriff?

For jackal retrain

I think thats just a relic of invests not normally being unique

I could just make it ā€œnot Town Power/Killingā€ and itd realistically be fine

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I might be blind but are Jackals still lifelinked, is Jackal a separate alignment for Sheriff, do recruits have guilt

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can like Jailor Mayor be recruits

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idt they could in tubaā€™s mod

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no lifelink, separate alignment, yes guilt, yes TPow rec can happen

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who wins in Jackal v Mafia, I assume Jackal

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does Godfather passive work for Jackal Mafia

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Thatā€™s bit of iffy due to setup being realistically crafted about mafia roles perfectly reflecting one or more town ones.

Iā€™m more alarmed that if he targeted town jackall he would not be informed, while sheriff would be.
Even more than targeting own mafia jackall.


Also after bit of deeper thought I guess jackall has one choice - to either signal or not his teammates asap.

Signaling would let twn protective to work on him, but also kindaā€¦ signaling mafia one just lets mafia one to steer kill away from him?

Plus town is always 100% on hunt from him right away, since he is only role which lowers KPN with single lynch.
So more like signal and be hunted or no and risk killing by mafia.

Doesnā€™t really help town protective roles choice as retrain.

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jackal wins yes

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The game looks interesting, but lacks coherency as a whole.
As I said at the beginning, Jackal lacks depth for me due to issues like that.

Adding invests into Marshal to make it viable protective pick.
Maybe make invests retrainable to widen options.

Or even better - making the whole idea neutral evil, removing the Jackalā€™s personal kill (meaning ti has to work with influencing mafia kill) and add a different NK on top of it instead.

Which would add a lot of points into invests and protective roles for this faction, since they are most limited in members.

But for starters - OP needs rules about conflict of interests between mafia and jackals.
Kills, also range of feedback, which I assume has to be SUPER limited for this kind of game (ergo invests get no result if they were roleblocked, but also for example if tracker tracks target to nowhere. Yes, both.).

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Anyway, yes, that was an in.

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anyway

jackal can turn their rec into invest now because the change before was
mostly unintentional anyway :wowee:

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