Vote-a-Life - MAFIA VICTORY!

I do think the way you are speaking about these possibilities is a bit fallacious. It feels as if you think the world in which the yurkin wagon was pure is “too good to be true”, and are thus assuming it was not. That does not feel like the best way to proceed here.

If the yurkin wagon was pure, who do you think the remaining (likely two) wolves would be? Do you think those people are still candidates to be wolves in the world where the yurkin wagon was not pure?

Better safe than sorry.

The yurkin wagon is pure if Rhea/Sultan end up being a wolf, between the two. Chomps, I could care less about because they were voting themselves.

If they aren’t, then chomps ain’t 2 wolves in one and the wolves are obviously elsewhere. Still possible that the wagon is pure but harder to believe.

I don’t believe anybody could’ve prevented the draw if Chomps and Yurkin were both evil.

I voted the latter with forty seconds remaining on the clock, and everyone who posted after that point (and thus could’ve shifted the wagons away from Yurkin at the last moment are Lol and Leafia.

Chomps and Aleph are still next on the POE. If anything, the former self-voting indicates a partnership even more, since voting Yurkin to save themselves is meaningless if it’s still -1 evil.

If we’re gonna pretend the yurkin wagon is pure and all those people are good, could be true, my PoE is rhea/sultan/Chomps/Beancat/Aleph/Kiiruma

Should be easy enough from there.

Chomps was self-voting and could have fixed it themselves if they wanted to. They willingly chose not to or simply didn’t care to in either case.

My concern is that I do not think the way you are thinking is actually “safe”. It only provides an illusion of “safety” that is inevitably detrimental to one’s own play. Imagining that a game must be a certain level of “difficult” tends to cause players to make all sorts of mistakes. Execute the players you think are the most likely to be wolves, not those who feel like the “safest” choices to execute.

To give an example of my own mistake, I felt that yurkin was not the right choice to execute yesterday because I was concerned about removing a player who would move the game forward. That was transparently false, as even if my choice, Chomps, were evil, yurkin was still a better-situated player and therefore a better execution.

It goes down to 7 players and 4 players being in no exe zone for Day 2: Jarek (you), Sultan, Kiiruma, Aleph, Beancat, Rhea, Chomps

You believe Chomps is designated misexe for the day with two wolves voting Chomps, then we cant ignore lol since he did voted Chomps before joining on Yurkin, thus 2 potential mafia candidates in 8 player list.

Clarifying Kiiruma’s position on your own accord is worthwhile in particular, otherwise we just send it.

I find Chomps self-voting a plausible evil play because a low-motivation and highly-suspected Chomps would want to be the execution over yurkin, who was a more confident and talkative player who at least attempted to make a show of providing analysis. That is why I have not moved Chomps upward on my read list despite the result of yesterday.

Chomps was not online.

Well you see as nice as that is to say and believe, I’m sure I’d have a very grand time convincing anyone to vote on someone who just voted out a wolf on the grounds that “they totally bussed their teammate”.

It’s safer for me as a player in this game to not try and commit social suicide and make a push I don’t even think would be that likely to hit an evil anyway. Not until I prove myself correct or incorrect by executing people outside of that group to see what they are, because in all likelihood due to how things turned out the people I’m ignoring are LIKELIER to be town than those that I’m not ignoring

Will you do that eventually?

Jarek should be placed at the end of the lineup if Chomps is executed and flips town, potentially.
I’m struggling to see where these lines of logic are coming from, although maybe that’s because I just woke up, but it potentially reads like TMI skipping over important steps.

With that said, Chomps is way more suspicious and Jarek could just be acting like Jarek, give it time. Anyhow.

At least I am happy how it turned out with Yurkin. What do you think with the 4 voters (since Leafia is a former voter)

Well I can explain it to you if you need I don’t always do the best job of explaining things initially.

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Kiiruma went out of his way to repeatedly and loudly clarify that yurkin was not a new player and should not be underestimated, something that he could have simply chosen not to do were he a wolf. I felt the way he treated yurkin was wolfy only in the context of yurkin being a villager, which was, as it turned out, false.

I have not pushed Kiiruma up to a more confident townread because I feel the way he danced around providing an actual read on yurkin’s slot was somewhat suspect. He at least did not attempt to use his experience to clear or townread yurkin, only stating that they were “… fine”, which is what a Kiiruma inclined to push heavy agenda would do. However, he did make the following post toward the end of the day:

This post has me somewhat torn, as I can easily read it as too obvious a move to take as a wolf, and Kiiruma did not try to vote for or prop up the Chomps wagon despite having an excuse. That is the interpretation I currently feel best about. However, I want to be cautious about dismissing objectively wolf-beneficial plays as “too obvious” to come from a wolf – Kiiruma did make a post that was objectively anti-town here.

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…Actually I forgot you are one, if you dont mind describing yourself Magnus :stuck_out_tongue:

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The TL;dr is that I believe the yurkin wagon has a higher chance to be pure because of how it occured - an EOD vote with some random voters on it that ended in a tie that killed them, an evil.

There is a chance that evil(s) decided to join that vote. It is less likely in my head.

I do not think I am fully understanding what you are saying here. In general, are you currently more interested in pursuing yurkin voters, Chomps voters, or off-wagon players?