Weekly Monday Discussion #6 - Computers

It’s honestly necessary that the exam is this difficult because the UK Government recently scrapped the whole having-to-get-a-law-degree-to-qualify-as-a-lawyer thing, so there’s people buying their way into the profession via lucrative apprenticeships. The SQE is kind of filtering those people out.

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h-huh?

I say kind of because, of course, those people are also paying thousands of pounds to a specialised provider to pass the exam.

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me when I do not have to have lawyer education to be a lawyer (a field that requires education)

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like it’d be one thing in a different field that didn’t really require an education, just WANTED it
but lawyers kinda. kinda need to be educated on the law. that’s the point

Yes. To qualify in England & Wales you no longer need a law degree, just any degree. I don’t think you even need to take a conversion course anymore.

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what the hell is a conversion course

Well have you ever heard of ToL

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:joy_cat:

It’s a course for postgraduates that let them “convert” to a different career/field. Typically your degree would be somewhat related to the field you’re trying to convert to.

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ah

damn ok then

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hm, that’s one possible explanation but I think it’s presumptuous to assume that the word variance calculator is definitely using un-normalized data just because your personal numbers line up fairly closely on the assumption that it is using un-normalized data (unless you have other information about how the program works that you haven’t mentioned)

like okay
my word variance as mafia - 3366
my word variance as town - 8865

there’s some weird irregularities with what’s been added to the database (and with how it counts alignments, joycat) but as far as I can tell, I have ~19 towngames on my main account and ~3 wolfgames on my main account (obviously this is a very small sample size but that’s not relevant to the point I’m making). According to the player analysis tool, I have 686 posts as mafia and 6924 posts as town. normalizing my word variance by number of posts as each alignment gives me 4.91 for mafia, and 1.28 for town – this is still a huge gap, just now it’s a huge gap in the opposite direction! Similarly, my total wordcount as mafia is 58789, and as town it’s 364444 – normalizing my word variance by that gives 0.0572 for mafia, and 0.0243 for town, which is smaller but still a factor of more than 2

now, of course, it’s totally possible that the player analysis tool is failing to normalize by total postcount or wordcount, but that my word choice in my handful of mafia games has been so amazingly varied that it ended up cancelling out. but I don’t think we can infer just from your data that the tool is necessarily failing to normalize for post/word count.

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oh thats a really interesting thing to scrap honestly, what was their reasoning behind it?

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I think it was a mix of factors that included wanting to increase the amount of lawyers so that legal fees would lower, and that the government is looking to push people away from university and into apprenticeships since tbh you could argue the UK is overeducated but underskilled

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i am going to become a lawyer

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do they allow hydras in court

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We’re actually safe. To qualify as a lawyer in Scotland you still need a Scots law degree.

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It’s not just because my data lines up. I actually started writing the post before even checking what the results were. I wasn’t even expecting it to line up so closely.

It’s almost entirely because if both of these are true:

  • The magnitude of the variance is on the same order of magnitude as the scale, and direct comparison is made between the two variances when the scales are different.
  • The analysis was done by an amateur or without concern for statistical rigor

Then 19 times out of 20 it’s going to be unnormalized variance.

Like, do you know for sure? No, but this data in particular looks very, very, likely to be unnormalized.

Also I’m not gonna lie, unless you are becoming specifically a commercial lawyer, ideally in London, you would make more money as a tradesperson; criminal barristers right now for example are, well, criminally underpaid…

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