Weekly Monday Discussion - Vanilla Roles

[benguinedparbecue]

ungated mafia vigilante is vanilla apparently

[Arete]

for clarity, setups are still subject to balance review even if they only use vanilla roles

[Zone_Q11]

@Arete

Follower - Each Night, may target another player to check what actions that player took.

I get that this is supposed to be a weaker Tracker, but somehow this has become a pseudo Role Cop in an open Vanilla setup.

@Arete

Bomb - When the Bomb dies, they kill the player who killed them. [Note: This role typically has the strongman modifier]

We might need a clarification on how this role works if it gets executed. Because dying by execution is still a death, except this time it’s done by multiple players.

–actually, we probably also need a clarification on how it operates if multiple attackers / killers (e.g. mafia, vigilante, serial killer) visited this role on the same night.

@Arete

Vengeful - When the Vengeful dies (or when eliminated), they may kill a player.

Perhaps specify when the Vengeful may kill a player. If Vengeful dies at night, does day start get delayed until Vengeful has chosen their target, or do they have to choose a target prior to their death in order for their ability to work?

@Arete

Babysitter - Doctor that kills their target that Night if the Doctor dies.

1. I have never heard of this role.
2. Wouldn’t this role be multi-classing Protective/Killing, kind of like CPR Doctor?
3. How does this role even work? Does it only kill targets on Nights when Doctors die, or does it also kill its targets after a Doctor (assuming there are multiple) has died?

@Arete

• Bodyguard (Protection Version) - Doctor who dies if their target would have died that Night.
• Bodyguard (Redirection Version) - Each Night, may redirect all kills from another target player to themself.

I get that it’s Protective because it’s called Bodyguard, but if you ignore that, why is the Redirection Version in Protective and not Redirection?

Actually, why are there even two versions in the first place? This list’s version of Strongwilled only gives immunity to roleblocks and not redirections, and this list’s version of Strongman only negates heals / protections, so is the Redirecting Bodyguard just “a better version” of Bodyguard that is immune to both modifiers?

@Arete

Role Thief - Each Night, may target another player. The Role Thief may use that player’s abilities that Night and that player is roleblocked that Night.

I don’t use these often (if at all) in my setups, because: How exactly does this work? What’s the chronology / action order?

• Target a player at night
• “Can use target player’s ability” at the same night

How does this work with OoO (order of operations)? When will the Role Thief be informed of their target’s ability, and when can the Role Thief use their target’s ability?

Do they choose someone, and then have the host be like: “Oh dear, I gotta tell them what they have ASAP!” –only to say they actually wanted to switch targets after seeing their initial target’s role?

–also, I feel like this ought to belong to a Power-Gaining class.

@Arete

Voting

• Gladiator - Each Day, may publicly target another player. Only that player and the Gladiator can be voted for.
• X-voter - Their vote weight counts for X instead of the normal amount. This may be public or hidden. Typically disabled in XyLo.

I plea for the mandate disabling Voting class abilities in XYLO. Imagine being Town Gladiator targeting another Town at XYLO, causing the game to end. I don’t think that’s a good idea.

@Arete

Ability Copier - Each Night, may target another player. The Copier takes each action that player takes this Night.

Who does the Copier target? If Copier targets Alignment Cop, who was targeting a Mafia Tracker, would Copier be checking for the Tracker or the Cop?

@Arete

Backups - When the relevant player dies, the Backup can use that role.

I feel like this really needs to be reworded… We all ought to know what a Backup is, but this description can easily be misinterpreted.

@Arete

Role Copier - Each Night, may target another player. The Role Copier becomes a copy of that player.

Would the Role Copier therefore lose their ability to copy other players’ roles?

@Arete

Combined - The ability is a combination of two other vanilla abilities.

Oh, I am going to have some fun in filling the Vanilla Queue!

@Arete

Conditional - The ability must meet certain conditions to be used. Normal conditions include:

• Claim (e.g. Claimvig) - Must provide the target’s role, or a post where the target claimed.
• Slank (e.g. Slankvig) - Target must have posted below a minimum amount or proportion.
• Spam (e.g. Spamvig) - Target must have posted above a maximum amount or proportion.

Wait… This just means that any role I can think of can be considered as Vanilla.

I was thinking: “How could CPR Doctor be Vanilla?” But this is just the answer!

CPR Doctor is a…

• combined role of…
• Doctor with a condition that the target is attacked…
• and…
• Vigilante with a condition that the target is not attacked.

@Arete

Public - The ability is activated publicly.

What defines as “publicly” and what separates this modifier from the “Event” modifier?

[Arete]

@Arete

Public - The ability is activated publicly.

@Arete

Event - The ability being activated is announced in thread, but not its targets or results.

my understanding is that “public” is like

you are a Public Dayvig = you have to publicly submit your dayvig ability (e.g., post /dayvig katze in the thread)

vs.

you are an Event Dayvig = “A dayvig ability has been activated” is announced publicly

(although obviously in most cases it will. Be announced anyway. )

[YoubutWorse]

@Zone_Q11

@Arete

Combined - The ability is a combination of two other vanilla abilities.

Oh, I am going to have some fun in filling the Vanilla Queue!

Zone i think it would be incredibly healthy if you considered the phrase “just because you could doesnt mean you should”

[Icibalus]

add sorcerer so sorc17 can be vanilla

[Zone_Q11]

I have considered it and I have come to the conclusion that generic Vanilla is too boring.

But also: I already have my backlog filled with Special setups, and I’d rather not host two games at once for an extended period of time.

[snowe]

petition to add helicopter
Hider ELIm-proof COP docTOR
its absolute garbage as a character but it has a funny name

[Zone_Q11]

Hm… I can make it work.

[snowe]

okay now i really wanan make a roflcopter joat
1x rolecop 1x follower 1x cop 1x doctor

[Zone_Q11]

Role Cop
Flavor Cop
Copycat
Reporter

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Healer
Lightning Rod
Cop Invalidator
Doublevoter

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My Roflcopter is a JOAT, whereas my Helicopter has all abilities at once.

So, the Helicopter is like:

• Heal target from poison
• Redirect all action aiming at target to Helicopter
• Cause target to be unable to be checked by Cops for the rest of the game
• Has vote weight of two, until Helicopter uses the HeLiCop ability

[Chloe]

Arso and firefighter are missing lol dumb mods

[Amelia]

cant wait to have a vanilla game with a Mafia Arsonist

[Amelia]

@Arete

Survivor - Wins if they survive to the end of the game.

uh oh

[snowe]

we should add 3rd party jester
Jester — Wins if nobody has fun.

[benguinedparbecue]

we should add a 3rd party survivor.
what do you mean botc is a game where death has significantly less impact and can actually be beneficial at times and where evil’s whole wincon is getting a player into f2

[benguinedparbecue]

wait i forgot this isn’t about botc i just saw an amelia post and assumed

[benguinedparbecue]

we should add a third party mega-survivor that only wins if they and all of the other survivors survive

[Zone_Q11]

@snowe

we should add 3rd party jester
Jester — Wins if nobody has fun.

Hm…

[IcetFeelsPain]

Firefighter