Wild West FM 2 (2/25) - Town wins!

[Maple]

Are you referring to anything specific when you say “reads”

[Achromatic]

Your thoughts on other players, who might be mafia, who might be town. Things like that.

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@iaafr

like

aro might’ve committed the perspective slip of just assuming particleman’s reads are real just because he’s town

when they could be troll and bullshit while being town

@iaafr

vote arogame123 with me bc i asked you to

it was around this point where i saw iaafr talking about it and lol making posts agreeing where i was like. okay go awf

@lol

my experience with aro says that he is passive rather than active which is scum meta

he voted me which is cool but he did nothing after that he just threw a random townread and left me to sit

@lol

for aro to be towny i want him to do something cuz rn he is just riding it out which surprised me since he seemed kinda excited to play here

like compare dota or iaafr to him there is a stark contrast

@lol

like remind yourself aro is a 300 poster i expected 50 atleast from him by now

when hes busy or unmotivated its very likely scum

i saw quite a few people hopping on and with the reason being good enough i added pressure. tbf after rereading i’m having my doubts lol/aro are w/w given lols behavior but w/e

i still don’t even think aro has responded that much lmao, which confuses me unless i missed it somewhere within the last 200 posts

i saw you and him tussle a bit too, which made me feel things ngl

[Achromatic]

aro last posted when they had 0 votes, which I find null.

but aro and I have been in agreement early on, did you mean me and someone else?

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

hi

[Leafia]

@dota

is that a reasonable decision? i guess

No. Not in the slightest.

@guavagudetama

@Leafia

My favorite flavor ice cream is bubble gum.

Sosososo based in concept but I had bubblegum ice cream one time and it had actual bubblegum in it except the bubblegum was frozen and just hurt my teeth to try to chew

That’s why you let the bubblegum thaw out a bit first.

@guavagudetama

@Leafia

Gut

If ParticleMan was actually reading your posts he’d say you’re trying to defend a scumbuddy

Most likely.

@iaafr

i think magnus just spewed lol town by telling me he’s not partnered with lol

One of the dumbest takes I’ve heard in quite a while.

@Kork

To be honest, I’m not sure how much help I will be in this, being someone who hasn’t exactly played before, I don’t really know if there are any “good” reads on me, and I definitely don’t have reads on anyone else, unless I know them outside of the game.

Gut wants to townlean this for some reason.

@lol

idk if u guys wanna kill him go ahead but he isnt even being rude just tunneled

Thanks for proving you haven’t read Particle’s posts.

@lol

if he goes over im just gonna assume its a heavily wolf filled wagon though who just want to get a selfclearing guy out

Wolves want him alive regardless of his alignment.

@iaafr

im asking once again does anybody other than magnus know how to read leafia in general / think this sort of nontownclaim joke comes more from nontown leafia?

I’ll admit that I do it more often as scum as I think this is only the second time doing it as town but wanting me dead only becasusee of one little thing that I’ve done as both alignments and ignoring everything else about me is blatantly antitown.

@iaafr

like honestly if i didnt randomly expect leafia to sound scummy bc ive heard of her being miss bait often id scumread these hard

and now im thinking i was dumb not to and to trust achro blindly

so maybe particlemans just right on those two, at least

Slightly scummy post.

Giving Iaafr a scumlean for now unless he can come up with reasoning that actually makes sense.

@iaafr

the things leafia gives reads on doesnt often make sense to me / doesnt register as ai stuff and the fact that its often ‘‘ very slight(ly) ’ xlean’ registers to me as a scum’s habit of trying not to seem like they have tmi

No way you believe that. I always give townleans as a villager. Look at my last game for instance.

@iaafr

leafia’s wording in this sequence is scummy because there’s lack of curiosity of validity of the read, and the “hmmmm” seems like its designed to convince readers of thoughtfulness where there was actually no consideration given to lol’s process or read

it’s like somebody acting the part of a solver rather than there actually being a thought process as to how lol’s dota read could’ve been sus or towny or invalid or valid

Fake as f. If I wasn’t so sure of lol being a wolf, you’d have my vote right now.

@iaafr

i think leafia is the optimal d1 both from a “i scumread her posts individually most” perspective and a “it helps solve achro/particleman” perspective

It literally doesn’t and you’re just trying to save lol by lushing on me. You can join Particle in the D2 shotlist.

@lol

oh right i just clocked that its a ITA game

why would a wolf call everyone a wolf and be unlikable he knows thats gonna piss people off it makes absoluetly 0 sense

in a normal game id get it but in an ITA game??

Even if he’s a villager, keeping him alive is blatently antitown.

@Rajidae

i checked my pings and guava prob V, Leafia prob W for calling a crosspost “a sheepy vote” and shading me for it lol

It wasn’t a crosspost. Was it? It didn’t look like one. If it was and you didn’t see the first vote, then I take back that read but put it right back for you shading me here and expecting me to know it was a crosspost.

@iaafr

i just realized leafia’s voting for both arctic and lol in the vc

i’m confused

Weird. UNVOTE Arctic Let’s see if this helps.

@lol

makes sense as town

It literally doesn’t.

@BradLand

How did we not think lol is obvious town btw?

You misspelled wolf there. Lol is highly unlikely to be town at this rate.

@guavagudetama

my friends got me to play town of salem recently (one of them is Kork actually hi Kork) and it was abysmal even with only friends it’s just a bad game
but it was also how I first got into social deduction games back in 4th grade so technically town of salem is the reason I’m here LOL

Couldn’t.disagree more. I love Town of Salem and I’m really excited that Town of Salem 2 is going to be on Early Access on Steam starting tomorrow.

@lol

btw sidenote these stickers are fucking rad i respect it

I love them too.

@lol

town

3. min
4. guavagudetama
5. BradLand
6. dota
7. ElizaThePsycho
8. lol
9. ParticleMan
10. iaafr
11. O.kazo
12. Jaiden

Willing to bet at least 2-3 wolves in this list.

@lol

achro i havent seen you fumble this bad in a while dont force yourself to post or you will become sussy

You’re only saying that because he’s scumreading you.

@Achromatic

100% huh

well shit I guess we can lynch aro and if he is town we just murder you tomorrow, fair is fair.

VOTE: arogame123

Please get back on lol.

@lol

i have 50 townreads which is both out of character for town and for mafia and everyone townreading me so you will follow eventually or you will die

You’re the one that will die lol. Shotlist so far in order I want dead: Lol, Particlle, iaafr.

@Achromatic

@lol

i have 50 townreads which is both out of character for town and for mafia and everyone townreading me so you will follow eventually or you will die

Huh. Alright. Bet.

VOTE: lol

Thank you.

@Achromatic

tbh I live for the day that Leafia as a wolf tricks me completely it will be beautiful.

That will happen the next time I’m a wolf. 100% chance.

I’m looking forward to it too.

@Magnus

I have been typing a case for the last hour or so before I answered Achro’s question about my thoughts on Lol. Twenty points to the first person who guesses who I cased.

Me?

@Magnus

This might be presumptuous, but VOTE: Achromatic.

To make a long story short, his style of play is extremely reminiscent of at least Strategem-10, as well as the pattern of his posts this game resembling some of his behaviour in Popcorn, and the weird thing is that it almost seems intentional on his part. I probably won’t be directly referencing Morbtainado or Umineko here to support my point, although I’ll likely cite some of his more recent town games and some older ones to establish a general trend.

Achro literally said that he’d be lowposting before the game even started.

@Magnus

Achro jumped into this game with a positive read on Leafia’s slot. ( #80 ) For reasons that I’m happy to reiterate, this doesn’t make sense. Immediately prior to that post, Leafia had made a post that resembled a scumtell of hers. Regardless of whether or not Leafia is evil and whether it’s an actual slip, none of Leafia’s other posts should have given v!Achro the impression that she was immediately good. If this was a reaction test, he presumably would have made something of it earlier.

He did this last game as well. With both of us being villagers.

@Magnus

It gets better. Achro decided to designate Lol as his push relatively early into the game #590 , and hasn’t changed gears since then ( 1033 ). This closely more resembles his play in Popcorny, actually, where he decided to try and get me executed first and foremost and tailored his worldview for the few few days around that. It comes across as more shady than anything else, since Achro isn’t hard pushing Lol and telling everyone else to kill Lol today, but he’s trying to set up that read and get everyone else to sheep him. Contrast TOTA, where he quite clearly expressed his scumread on Leafia (she’s evil, kill her now, I’m telling you to kill her now, etcetera) and moved on to other things during the day ( TOTA’s #203 ). Pushing Lol first wasn’t even Achro’s read, nor does he try taking credit for it, so it’s like he’s just happy to go along with it.

It resembles his townplay too.

@eevee

Random thought: There is not enough poles in this game.

Agreed.

@Zenon

I mean… you don’t? I think he would.

As to whether he would or not, I honestly don’t know. I’m currently null on Achro and I’m not going to worry about him until D2 or D3 if he’s still alive. He always dies N1 or N2 at the latest if he’s a villager here.

@dota

i didnt realise aro had so many votes but thats such a fucking clean wagon, i love it

lol wagon meanwhile is all guys im either null on or sus

easy choice in my opinion

Everyone on Aro get on Lol. Vastly more likely to be a wolf.

@Arctic

i feel like this game is becoming an echo chamber with how non-committal people are being with their reads and 180’ing based on the slight sign of something wrong, and it’s very easy to get influenced by mafia who are actually steering the game when people are playing like this . i think, in a mountainous game especially, sometimes it’s fine to withhold thoughts that express some slight paranoia on someone you otherwise townread. posting about this paranoia does not do anything except maybe give you a bit

This seems like a villagery post. Maybe I’m wrong about Arctic being a wolf. He can go back to null for now.

@Zorvo

I honestly haven’t even read this setup but with Wild West makes me think someone does have a gun and the fact I’m called a cowboy.

ITAs start D2.

@lol

achro is using reasoning he made up when we were both mafia but decided to roll with it this game. he’s not actually reading me

0% chance v!lol ever says this.

@dota

that was my second favorite post yeah good find

@rajidae what do you think of aro and lol wagons and the people voting them, because i think aro wagon is wayyyy more pure

Doubt it.

@Achromatic

We are here to play mafia not be friends. Hang out with your boy on your own time.

We’re here to do both actually.

@Jar

no one is making reads on me which makes me sad

Okay. You can be scum. j/k

@Achromatic

Overall having the wagons be lol/aro right now is probably really healthy for the game as it presents two dueling world views and allows for people to take sides in an interesting way depending on what alignments aro/lol turn out to be, there is a lot to be gleaned from a polarized day 1 so I don’t mind that this is the game state atm. Just want some of our low posters to become a bit more influencial.

Agreed. Wagonomics will be good from this I think.

[Frostwolf103]

Eyah

[Frostwolf103]

And hello Leafia.

[Leafia]

Hi Frost.

[dota]

i personally never cared about game theory nor how i appear
im a guy who voted myself at eod as scum to tie the wagons with a townie, and that townie was begging me to vote him instead of myself but i refused because im not a pussy

[dota]

funnily enough every time me and lol have randed mafia together its been an absolute disaster for some reason
it doesnt work out that well
respectablr opinion though, you are free to continue being paranoid

[Achromatic]

@Leafia you need to revote lol btw, but that did successfully get you off of arctic

Anyway I have a little more time to let’s review Aro’s scum post counts

Completed: Cats vs Dogs Mafia

third highest totals in the game

Completed: Gravity Falls

4th highest post in the game

As town he is highly active as well, so to reiterate Aro having a low post count atm likely has nothing to do with his alignment.

Wild West FM 2 (25/25) - Day 1

i personally never cared about game theory nor how i appear im a guy who voted myself at eod as scum to tie the wagons with a townie, and that townie was begging me to vote him instead of myself but i refused because im not a pussy

Pretty metal ngl

[Leafia]

VOTE: lol

[Leafia]

Much better.

[min]

i think so ngl i figured i worded something wrong but sent the post anyway bc i can’t be assed

[min]

leafia town? i disagree with some of what she’s saying but i can actually follow some of her logic so

[min]

@Achromatic

As town he is highly active as well, so to reiterate Aro having a low post count atm likely has nothing to do with his alignment.

mm

okay

i see UNVOTE

[min]

UNVOTE Arogame123 voting voting idk

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

hi min im going to iso you

[lol]

im not interested, you are tunneling and only pretending to ask me questions