Wild West FM 2 (2/25) - Town wins!

[Arctic]

@Jar

if zorvo is town then magnus is wolf
if magnus is town then zorvo is wolf
this i can assure 100% :)

zorvo is town either way, arogame very blatantly spewed particleman (the previous slot holder) as town and i talked about in this post

setting up dichotomies on people on the basis that you expect them to be correct can result in some very unfortunate outcomes especially if the players you are using it on are not known for always being correct

@dota

@arctic

i realized i forgot to even talk about brad but yeah i think his eod1 is what’s making me still suspect him a bit because his treatment of lol felt TMI/chainsawy towards iaafr and it didn’t feel like he cared much about what was going on, but i disagree with the vote on aro necessarily looking bad, i think in isolation i actually townread it
i think i might need to ask zenon why they’re so sure on brad town because if it’s just for the aro vote then i agree it feels kinda flimsy

i would kill brad over magnus if i had to kill one because i can’t construe much of a sound case against magnus other than “he sounds weird” (especially the read on aro you mentioned i think) and that the achro kill makes a lot more sense if he was mafia but that’s still circumstantial i think

[dota]

for arctic it takes a scumflip and excessive analysis to realise that particle slot is town

for dota it took one glance at the man

[Arctic]

i mean i leaned on him being town yesterday too but i didnt really have a good reason for it

[dota]

then you have a good gut

[Maple]

Ayo how do I shoot somone, or take any action at night really

[Arctic]

i feel like guava’s investigation into the achro nightkill possibly making leafia town because it enables wolves to push her after he’s gone might be villagery

@Jar

given that aro has been inactive the entire game, and they probably have not been doing much for the wolf team. at least one wolf must have tried to shoot aro imo. i think it could be either frostwolf or may. jaiden tried shooting o.kazo which makes me curious. and this makes me want to conclude that either jaiden or o.kazo is wolf atm

yeah i think i might need to revisit jaiden because i don’t think i like anything she’s done today and the o.kazo shot felt a bit out of nowhere
but i definitely expect o.kazo to flip first so i’ll probably worry about it then

@Magnus

so I’m assuming they’re friends or something. ( #2198 )

didn’t you say you know who their main is
because i know who it is too and i don’t think they are

@Magnus

@guavagudetama

…So why did Achro die then?

Probably because Leafia’s actually evil and she’s terrified of Achro solving her and she tried to pretend that anyone would’ve killed him.

hm

@Magnus

What do you mean? I’m pushing blatant agenda here. Dota had the right call earlier.

magnus it costs you nothing to not make posts like this

[Jar]

Its /shoot player
But be careful of who you shoot

[Arctic]

@Maple

Ayo how do I shoot somone,

**/shoot [player]** @Host_Account_1 @Italy @CRichardFortressLies

can i ask who are you thinking of shooting

@Maple

or take any action at night really

[dota]

@maple shoot someone right now no balls

[Arctic]

@Kork

By the way, when I saw that people shot Aro, I didn’t really understand the reasoning. Can someone clear it up for me?

@Kork

Was it just that we kind of have to shoot people? To get their numbers down? Or were they just acting odd?

hm this feels slightly uninformed to the fact aro was completely afk

@Kork

inb4 a wolf is the one lecturing me gonna die inside if thats the case

also kinda towny
or w/w theat-

@BradLand

This would be some sick W/W antispew though.

damn son that’s crazy
(i do think this entire interaction feels w/w olive branching though tbh even tho it’s independently villagery for kork)

@Rajidae

i think if May’s a wolf then Wazza’s her partner and that’s it (because they gave her a lot of credit for simply being consistent)

unlikely, wazza has been one of the main people gunning for may today and her reasoning is because of may’s shot on aro being bad, if you are w/w i don’t think you accuse your partner of bussing right after they buss in a way that’s extremely suffocating since that kinda defeats the point of gaining cred from the buss

@Magnus

Fair dinkum

this is the most australian thing you’ve ever said

@Magnus

Could you justify why I would kill Achro last night?

because he scumread you and had more thread control than you

[Jaiden]

frozen

[guavagudetama]

@Rajidae

so who are the wolves then

Just saw this in Zorvo’s post, I went to bed shortly after the conversation with you and Zenon so I wasn’t exactly alert

If I’m right about that being the reason Achro died, it would make Zenon a wolf
And I would normally extract iaafr being a wolf from that but they’ve changed their vote so much that I’ve just accepted what they say and do mean very little

@May

Ironically, he’s kinda shown he has an internal world on the subject of not having an internal world, if that makes sense?

This doesn’t make sense but I’ll take it

@Jar

if iaafr is wolf they are the best player i have seen in a social deduction game sofar

This sure is a sentence ever

@Rajidae

/shoot Leafia

@Jar

also you are just like frostwolf you just ask questions like you are doing rn

Jar when you ask him questions in a game about information

@Arctic

the frustration at particleman “i feel bad for whoever has this guy on their team” felt really genuine to me but i recognize mafia can say that too

I think I would say that as either alignment but idk because this site is allergic to randing me wolf

It happened once and it wasn’t even fm it was botf

[guavagudetama]

Good Meowning

[Arctic]

@Frostwolf103

@dota

@Frostwolf103 why did you shoot aro?
i didnt see a clear reason for it in your iso

Because its process of elimination between lol and arogame.

Lol flipped village, so there’s no doubt left about Arogame.

this logic doesn’t really sit right with me, why are you acting like it was a certainty that aro/lol was v/w?
this would make sense coming from a wolf who planned on bussing aro today since the slot was basically dead in the water already and they couldn’t come up with a better reason to do so

@Jar

but maybe not frostwolf because he looks like a potential big wagon

that does not make them a bad shot to kill
for the reason i gave above and the reasons magnus gave in this post i think frost is the single most likely slot in the game to flip wolf, followed by may:

@Magnus

Frost’s behaviour is ripped from Tales of the Abyss, in which he was a wolf. He lurked, he didn’t share his reads, he inserted himself into a conversation earlier which indicated annoyance at town questioning Achro’s death, nobody townreads him, he’s lurking, he’s in his wolf meta, he would go long with an Achro kill, he’s going to be wagoned most likely today and he’s unlikely to sway many minds regarding his innocence. Frost also shot Aro and voted Lol, like he’s just going along with the flow.

so yeah my worldview is
frost shots are probably the best followed by leafia shots (i don’t really think leafia is mafia from my own read on meta, like nothing she’s said has actually come across as a red flag to me which normally happens by now when she’s mafia, but i don’t think people are going to get over it and i don’t think there is a flip that would really clear her tbh)

if these are both wrong i would nuke magnus/brad because no one except the above two people would nightkill achro while he was wrong on eveything (yes earlier i said o.kazo might but i saw raji’s argument that they are town for the last minute vote on lol which i kinda believe since if they were gonna nightkill achro anyway they could have just voted him out there?) so if achro died anyway i think it means he was correct on something and achro suspected magnus/brad/garfooled but garfooled is very likely town from treatment of aro and purity which i’ve already talked about

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

has anyone been shot

[guavagudetama]

Aro

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

other than that

[guavagudetama]

Nope

[Arctic]

my own pet read is that may is still mafia and i don’t oppose shots on them but i think we should probably kill frostwolf first

[dota]

i agree that frost’s response also seemed sus to me but i couldnt pinpoint why
good third scumread for me