Wild West FM 2 (2/25) - Town wins!

[eevee]

I love you.

Let’s stay friends and stuff, but the fact that you actually took my advice and made wallcase readable by linking relevant stuff is… I love you.

[lol]

wake up babe magnus is town

[Magnus]

Your town!you feels the same in every game so I’m mainly hoping that when you rand evil again your behaviour will just feel different, to be honest.

@eevee

Let’s stay friends and stuff, but the fact that you actually took my advice and made wallcase readable by linking relevant stuff is… I love you.

No problem. I think it looks prettier this way, anyway. I have been using hyperlinks instead of a thousand quotes in my recent games, but this does look much more readable.

[Magnus]

@Zenon

1000% disagree if Achro is wolf

My logic is that Leafia can very much be the type of player to OMGUS and reverse-tunnel her attackers, at least as evil, and triggering a player with that defensive instinct can be potentially risky for a wolf like Achro. On the other hand, throwing out unexplained townreads fits his demonstrated behaviour as evil.

[Magnus]

That was an opening for you to explain your contention, for what it’s worth.

@lol

wake up babe magnus is town

Easiest townread of my life.
I’ve made this joke half a dozen times by now.

[Zenon]

@Magnus

Your town!you feels the same in every game so I’m mainly hoping that when you rand evil again your behaviour will just feel different, to be honest.

It won’t.

[Zenon]

@Magnus

My logic is that Leafia can very much be the type of player to OMGUS and reverse-tunnel her attackers, at least as evil, and triggering a player with that defensive instinct can be potentially risky for a wolf like Achro. On the other hand, throwing out unexplained townreads fits his demonstrated behaviour as evil.

I don’t think Achro cares about upsetting Leafia and getting tunneled he wins those

[Zenon]

I hate mobile lol

[Magnus]

I don’t blame you.

@Zenon

I don’t think Achro cares about upsetting Leafia and getting tunneled he wins those

Nonetheless, I don’t think w!Achro would be so recklessly overconfident as to townlock a partner immediately.

[Zenon]

@Magnus

Nonetheless, I don’t think w!Achro would be so recklessly overconfident as to townlock a partner immediately.

I mean… you don’t? I think he would.

Doesn’t matter now though i will never vote Achro D1 and think they are town lol

[Magnus]

Hypothetically tying oneself to your allies like that is a pointless manoeuvre if you don’t have the thread pull to keep both of you alive. Besides, Leafia doesn’t much feel like she’s in her scum meta this game. Not that it means as much as it does.

[Zenon]

I agree that Leafia isn’t scum but they are both town.

Tying yourself to your team isn’t really that bad if you are good enough to play it and Achro certainly is.

[Arctic]

@guavagudetama

Real but idk who this was about lol

eliza (she doesn’t do townreads and i think it’s the main reason she always gets killed)

@guavagudetama

Really? I think I missed your reasoning on Magnus could you quote it (or explain it if you didn’t before lol)

i don’t have any real reasoning his posts just sound weird to me which is why i’m not pursuing it much really

@Magnus

Asking to play Chess in public is a bold move though, and w!Dota could just ask to play Chess with other evils unless they all refused.

he’s played chess or some other game in the thread as mafia with another mafia before lol

@Magnus

Except Jaiden started OSFE by reciting Shakespeare . Unless you’re referring to how Jaiden similarly claimed to be "in the game" really early on, Jaiden’s opening this game doesn’t much resemble OSFE. As a matter of fact, I would say that Jaiden claiming to be town first thing kinda resembles an early post in Strategem-10 , although she felt less alert there. I guess this reaches the same conclusion of v!Jaiden probably, although I disagree with your reasoning.

The way it looks, May decided to scumread Iaafr and tailored his read on Jaiden to suit that read. Making stuff up is a “towny" behaviour from May, as in v!May does it but I don’t know if w!May does it. She probably does.

Throwing out disassociate reads on Iaafr / Dota and Wazza / Min, as well as an associate read on Leafia / Garfooled feels easy, but reasonable for a start of game behaviour. Their theory on Iaafr / Zenon comes out of the blue, and I believe that’s part of why he’s being pushed.

May’s gone to sleep. That’s fine. I don’t think there’s much of a case on her at the moment but I think their alignment will become obvious once he‘s back.

i think i take issue with their approach so far rather than what they’ve said (even tho i don’t like their iaafr read either)
the focus on specifically jaiden with the very specific esoteric wall reminds me of how they played as scum. i know this is a real thing because they spoke in the postgame about how they messed up by focusing too much on giving a high quality read for a specific player instead of talking much about others and it kinda felt like that’s how they opened here

[Arctic]

brad has been sharing a lot of my thoughts like the fact dota is taking the game seriously being mildly concerning and eliza’s treatment of particleman being bad

it doesn’t seem like it’s specifically catered towards gaining my favour (and it likely wouldnt be since brad doesnt like me anyway) so i’m just going to give him passive townpoints for this

@guavagudetama

how is her wanting ParticleMan dead any different from say me or Min wanting ParticleMan dead? I definitely said something to the same effect, and iirc Min did as well

it’s the only thing she’s done and that post specifically felt manipulative
later on she kinda recognizes she thinks he’s town but refuses to outright say it (see when particleman asks what she actually thinks his alignment is and she just says “have you read my posts” but her posts don’t actually make it clear since it’s a muddle of half-policy/half actually thinking he’s scum

@lol

sounds good im evil

oh no he did the thing

[Jaiden]

i am observing

[Jaiden]

fun fact i had a plan for how i was gonna play this game and then saw the word house and immediately forgot

[eevee]

@Jaiden

i am observing

I am munching popcorn while observing this cabaret on the borderline between a Japanese game show and a return of boats, the forum equivalent of 4chan’s shitposts. Where brave players deliver something between crude cringe and sublime catharsis.

[Jaiden]

VOTE: eevee

[CRichardFortressLies]

Votecount as of post #1189

Arogame123 (5): iaafr, BradLand, lol, min, Zenon
lol (4): Arogame123, Leafia, Achromatic, eevee
ParticleMan (3): ElizaThePsycho, guavagudetama, O.kazo
ElizaThePsycho (2): Arctic, Wazza
Achromatic (2): ParticleMan, Magnus
Arctic (1): Leafia
May (1): Rajidae
Zenon (1): May
Leafia (1): dota
eevee (1): Jaiden

Not Voting (5): Frostwolf103, Jar, Garfooled, Kork, Maple

VC before I go to bed. Thank me later.

[Arctic]

@iaafr

the things leafia gives reads on doesnt often make sense to me / doesnt register as ai stuff and the fact that its often ‘‘ very slight(ly) ’ xlean’ registers to me as a scum’s habit of trying not to seem like they have tmi

this is not AI for leafia

@iaafr

leafia’s wording in this sequence is scummy because there’s lack of curiosity of validity of the read, and the “hmmmm” seems like its designed to convince readers of thoughtfulness where there was actually no consideration given to lol’s process or read

it’s like somebody acting the part of a solver rather than there actually being a thought process as to how lol’s dota read could’ve been sus or towny or invalid or valid

neither is this
welcome to the leafia experience
they sound the exact same with stuff like this regardless of alignment
but if anything i’d say leafia has more overt confidence as mafia because she doesn’t hide TMI very well