I just arrived and became the most obvious town in the game…love what that happens!
2 Likes
Oh, no, an essay question.
[runs for the hills]
3 Likes
I don’t think I’ve improved as much as town as you’re giving me credit for. A lot of my posting that you’re considering to be “mid-game Ash” was a mix of trying to get the ball rolling through a reads list and then me getting into a fight with my parents over the computer and making it everyone else’s problem. I’ve definitely improved as a town player - contrasting my D1 in this game with my D1 performance in the disastrous Paradox Hazard very much indicates this, and I’m a lot more comfortable writing up reads lists than I was at the start of the year - but I’d file my performance less as confidence and more as annoyance.
2 Likes
Ishmael is very much capable of wolfing. She knows what is the standard expectation of a townie to post.
I think that Ishmael is a lot like beancat.
If she’s playing like a standard textbook normal townie - she’s mafia. If you have no idea what she’s doing - she’s town.
“Having no idea” is an exaggeration - I’m not speaking from my PoV. I’m talking about how she’s received from others.
1 Like
I haven’t played much with Ishmael but I don’t think of her as a low-effort villager who only plays the game as mafia? IDK where you’re getting this. Can you pull up sources
3 Likes
See Ishmael’s ISO here (wolf)
She knows what people want of her in order to townread her. Like she knows what the expectation of a mafia player are
1 Like
And do you have an example of village game to contrast
2 Likes
As town:
She posted under post requirement in Kakegurui D1 before trying to vig a wolf and dying N1. We didnt get a chance to see her play but she was unbothered with explaining herself or anything. I townread her for it and I got questions from other players for doing do
Link: ∘ ☙ Kakegurui: Compulsive Gambler Mafia -- GAME OVER ❧ ∘
Her whole ISO:
Other than that, she was mischopped in this game:
I don’t know what happened in this game, and I’m not blaming her without having read it. I just know that she wasn’t received well. She is received worse as town than when she is mafia
Update: I just skimmed her ISO there and she did put higher effort. So maybe I am wrong on the effort part. I think, still, she gets a worse reception as town than as mafia. I have no reason to think otherwise at the moment
2 Likes
Like I think you have to remember that people are very susceptible to small influences changing their behaviour wildly. And I don’t think “this person knows how to play townsounding as wolf, but they haven’t done so yet in the first half of the first day” is compelling townread shit
3 Likes
Side note: this was peak comedy because Chomps literally just sent her message back the same way he got it, and that was enough to kill her.
5 Likes
I think Ishmael’s behaviour is reflective not of a villager or of a wolf but of somebody who hasn’t yet been pressured to try and I think that’s ~NAI but slightly wolfy because wolves only need to try if they or their partners are being threatened. Whereas villagers need to try ~always
2 Likes
I hate reads like that, it feels like some variation of the “perfect crime” fallacy where the mere thought of someone being wolf means they must be town because they’re too good as wolves to be wolfread.
5 Likes
“Worse reception as town than as mafia” is imprecise and IMO is the kind of thing you need to justify with a cause. Why does she have a worse reception as town than as mafia? Is she lower effort (we’ve discussed this, no), does she give less confident or more unconventional reads, is she more combative, is it the effect of mafia not pushing her as an easy misexecution, etc.
Like what “reception” somebody gets is influenced very heavily by the other players in the game so you can’t really cite it as alignment-indicative unless you can point to what causes that reception I think it’s kind of bunk
2 Likes
I think that she cares less about surviving when she’s town.
2 Likes
Okay cool. And you think she hasn’t cared about surviving enough here to be a wolf?
2 Likes
Yeah. I think she hasn’t.
The sarcasm here and lack of trying to save herself later is not someone trying to survive, I think. That post there is something you write expecting to get chopped and flip town. That’s the comedic value of it.
2 Likes
Cool. I slightly believe you, which is more than before. But not enough to stop voting Ishmael unless you give me a good target. Or SDA gives me any target (as previously mentioned, he controls my vote)
2 Likes
Every time you post a screenshot it gives me a heart attack because I’m used to the integrity nightmares on Loop
4 Likes
I haven’t read the posts since I played initially.
Just from scratching my memory, soweli, to me, has been the most inoffensive. Being inoffensive (not literally) is what I think fits the profiles of wolves a lot.
(I will read and think)
2 Likes
boo
1 Like