100% BOTF XXX: STEWARD STRIKES BACK PART 2 - EVIL WINS

[Jarek]

@Hazardwaste

You say this but…

guessing 3 demons plus the minions is literally impossible level gameplay

[Litten]

For what it’s worth jarek I felt bad and told you the truth

[Jarek]

@Litten

For what it’s worth jarek I felt bad and told you the truth

You really didn’t have to lying is a part of the game I’m just idk a little frustrated that it’s a part of the game for a bit too long

[Hazardwaste]

its been done

[Jarek]

I’ll have you know I hated my previous role but at least it wasn’t this

[Magnus]

@Litten

I may in the minority but I think encouraging mimiom to waste damsel guesses is good in long form as long form allows damsels to make so many mistakes that it’s very dangerous to have a damsel

It’s not especially fun for the Minion team to feel pigeonholed, and the STs can discount it anyway so this only really punishes inexperienced or uninformed players who think it’ll be wasted and an adverse punishment to their team.
The Damsel is a deadly threat, but it’s a sorta rough way to neutralise it.

[Jarek]

I still think that you dying is indicative of talking to the wrong person

[Litten]

Oh I meant “wasting it” as in making them hasty and using it

[Magnus]

Ohh, yeah. That’s fine.
Exerting a game environment where they can’t stall for five days.

[Zugzwang]

overall I’m a bit conflicted on Jarek

like on the one hand, he’s damsel guessed and the way he’s arguing is plainly unreasonable

but worrying that people would be mad at him out of game feels genuine and IDK if he’s likely to manage faking that, and his arguments seem to be unreasonable in a consistent way

[Jarek]

I don’t think warning town of the consequences of the outsider role known as cannibal is unreasonable it’s just pragmatic

[Jarek]

Also hot take fear is a great motivator I don’t do anything if there’s nothing for me to do, this right here is how I make myself play the game

I put myself in a bad spot and then I solve the game to get out of it

[Jarek]

It’s a new meta totally unfounded

[Silviu200530]

Zug I can’t believe you gave hazard an offspring and then say it’s not yours

[Zugzwang]

@Zugzwang

like on the one hand, he’s damsel guessed and the way he’s arguing is plainly unreasonable

but worrying that people would be mad at him out of game feels genuine and IDK if he’s likely to manage faking that, and his arguments seem to be unreasonable in a consistent way

In particular, he’s acting like it’s unreasonable for us to wolfread him, almost:

@Jarek

I told you my role and told you why killing me would be a bad idea, you’ve continued to double down that you think I’m evil and aren’t listening to me, continuing to follow this discussion isn’t finding the demon.

“I’m not mafia. I told you I’m not mafia. It is unreasonable for you to think I’m evil after I damsel guessed.”

@Jarek

There just isn’t a damsel if there is I’ll eat my own words but I refuse to believe they exist. I reckon the other outsider doesn’t exist because someone would have heard it in a 3 by now. It’s a godfather game.

And this whole argument of assuming the outsiders would claim here assumes that people would put enough trust in him, that they would feel it’s worth CCing.

Fwiw, I would never CC outsider here.

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Upon writing this, I realize that the expectation of not being wolfread that hard makes this guess feel a lot more likely from w!Jarek who thinks he can get away with it

And also IDK why Jarek is confident there’s no Damsel

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On the other hand though:

@Jarek

I really really really hope there’s no beef between us now because that would really suck.

@Jarek

People are going to crucify me for this if the worst possible outcome happens and I really don’t want to feel responsible for that

@Jarek

I’m not joking I feel bad for that whole exchange happening and I want to make it go away

I can model some of this from a w!Jarek mindset “I have just outed myself and hurt my evil team badly”, and it’s also possible Jarek is just good at faking this type of stuff, but it still feels kinda convincing

[Zugzwang]

hm

@Kelsier did you lie to me in our whisper D1

[Jarek]

@Zugzwang

And also IDK why Jarek is confident there’s no Damsel

Entirely because if there was there’d be more double claims. The damsel doesn’t get a bluff and doesn’t know any. If they lucked into a role that was bluffable and wasn’t being used by any minion already good for them. but the damsel usually doesn’t, and the damsel is also usually suicidal.

There’s no damsel I accept no other truth

[Zugzwang]

@Jarek

Entirely because if there was there’d be more double claims. The damsel doesn’t get a bluff and doesn’t know any. If they lucked into a role that was bluffable and wasn’t being used by any minion already good for them. but the damsel usually doesn’t, and the damsel is also usually suicidal.

There’s no damsel I accept no other truth

well

@Magnus

There was a quintuple claim at one point yesterday.

[Jarek]

@Zugzwang

that they would feel it’s worth CCing.

You don’t need to CC me to not completely bold-faced lie to random people in whispers

If I give a 3f3 I expect your role to be in the 3 because mine will be the entire point of a 3f3 is that your role is one of them

a tinker and a PM aren’t roles that end the game if they get found so I’d entirely expect people to be okay with putting them in their 3’s the fact this hasn’t happened indicates that either everyone is lying (probably true tbh) or they just don’t exist

[Jarek]

@Zugzwang

well

I don’t have the context about that so I wouldn’t even know where to start