21074th poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 8)

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#14452

I thought they were just saying they were trans im sobbing

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#14453

right but richard oā€™brien, the writer and creator of rocky horror, is very openly transphobic

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#14454

Yeah ok nevermind it was intended

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#14455

iā€™ve read the shit heā€™s said about trans women
he fucking hates us

#14456

that is why i specified that i dont think frank n furter is a trans woman or trans man. I did not say I donā€™t think they werent implied to be transgender

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#14457

gender is a harness
I have harnessed the harness

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#14458

but they correspond exactly to transmisogynistic stereotypes - a sexually threatening libertine who lives in a world of barely constrained hedonism and isnā€™t even truly human

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#14459

Oh also yeah i was intending to do this

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#14460

i just didnā€™t quite pinpoint how

#14461

yes, diegetically, itā€™s unclear what Dr. Frank-N-Furter actually is
out-of-universe, he is very, very very clearly an offensive stereotype of 70s transgender women

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#14462

[joker voice] hey should i be here for this

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#14463

one sec brb

#14464

iā€™m trying not to get angry but it seems so clear to me and to many others and i donā€™t get why itā€™s not clear to some people that thatā€™s what the movie and show are doing

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#14465

i have already explained why I donā€™t think this is the case

#14466

an argument i am unconvinced by. artistic depictions of sexual menace donā€™t become not that if the characters, in-universe, benefit from them

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#14467

because some people, even people you may like, are capable of being wrong in the face of what they personally perceived without your context or nostalgia

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#14468

Estherā€™s attempting to find a light in the darkness to escape from her oppressive society.
Cara should probably also be trying to escape from an oppressive society.
Part of me wants to suggest parental abuse, but that feels a bit dark.

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#14469

also as part of that argument you literally noted and then ignored one of the main things Iā€™m basing this reading on

#14470

the bedroom scene is flagrantly a depiction of how transphobic gay men in the 70s viewed trans women! and trust me, as much as there was solidarity, there was also a lot of tension that is often ignored

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#14471

and I explained why :joy_cat:

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