An Attempt at a Sorc 17er - Game Thread

[tutuu]

im gonna go crazy. i need to see arctic flip. before that idk if i can make any good posts. my mental is dead. sorry for being so weak ;-;

[Jinxed]

Tutuu this isnt you. What happened to the tutuu in true majority or decieve inc. you didnt care about being wrong. why are you so scared and stressed now

[tutuu]

I HAD A WOLF FLIP TO WORK WITH THERE I NEED 1 WOLF FLIP

in all games ive played - before i had a wolf flip i went crazy

i went crazy in the mountainous amq d2 with litten

in deceive inc i was defending lol and pushing min/zug

true maj i was fine but i was heavily relying on achro killing zenon first and having a difference check between hippo and me

I NEED OTHER PEOPLE TO SPEARHEAD THE GAME

and then i clean up

I CANT DO SHIT ON MY OWN ;-;

and

IM SCARED BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CRITICIZING ME TOWNREADING ARCTIC

AND THERE’S GOOD CHANCE ARCTIC IS WOLF AND THEY WERE RIGHT

AND ID FEEL SO GUILTY FOR SHIELDING A WOLF

i hate so much to be a burden to my team and let them down :(

[Agent47]

This party sucks.

[tutuu]

ONLY PARTIES U’VE BEEN AT IS MARIO KART AND SCRABBLE U NERD

[Zorvo]

@Jinxed

Nobody thinks either of those two are evil,

Your Hazard right?

@Jinxed

You are making up RANDOM names and pairing players RANDOMLY. Actually justify your reads and stick to them.

You know I had that read solve for almost the entire game yeah?

[Zorvo]

@YoubutWorse

jinxed/baker

You know it’s gonna be Arctic and we are just gonna be left with these 2.

And THEY JUST GONNA SIT THERE A LOOK PRETTY.

Probably gonna be both wolves and we lose game from mafia clean sweep that was very much so avoidable.

[Agent47]

@Zorvo

@Jinxed

Nobody thinks either of those two are evil,

Your Hazard right?

That’s Magnus.

@Zorvo

And THEY JUST GONNA SIT THERE A LOOK PRETTY.

I’ve been doing that this whole time

[tutuu]

if we chop arctic and he flips town my wim will jump thru the roof i will hard carry tomorrow i promise

if he flips wolf i will probably just try to kill ybw shes just scummy i think

[Arete]

if Arctic flips wolf Jinxed’s wolf equity skyrockets

not lock (it could be a setup for towncred) but Notably so

[Jinxed]

We’ve been questioning Arctic’s reads since D1, he’s tried appealing to us publicly, and he’s been waffling a read on our slot since early on. I’d argue we couldn’t be aligned even from an objective standpoint.

[tutuu]

@Jinxed

I’d argue we couldn’t be aligned even from an objective standpoint.

this last sentence is nonsensical to me and really manipulative

[Arete]

tutuu

The game is hard. Everyone here has made mistakes; some of us have made a lot of mistakes. I’m not, in fact, confident that Arctic is a wolf, I’m just taking my best guess.

You don’t need to feel guilty for being wrong, even if you’re town. You just need to pick up the pieces of the first 1.5 days of this game.

[Zorvo]

@Agent47

That’s Magnus.

If that’s Magnus then that’s a wolf tell.

Magnus would know that they have BEEN in that position as a wolf before and actually evaluate that and not treat it like they currently are.

[tutuu]

thank u so much aret ily ;-;

if arctic is wolf promise u wont hate me right?

i feel rly scared if ppl will hate me

u wont hate me right?

[Arete]

I won’t hate you, promise

[Zorvo]

@Arete

Everyone here has made mistakes

My mistake was to add a new wolf read in today because it was wrong.

My other mistake is still not contributing like my shadow wants me to, it’s fucking hard man I swear.

[Zorvo]

You know what I realize.

I commonly put myself in a position where I look stupid.

I should stop doing that.

[Jinxed]

@tutuu

this last sentence is nonsensical to me and really manipulative

It means “from a viewpoint that isn’t mine.” Your response confuses me.

Summary

@Arctic

i don’t think today is complicated though. i think we just kill guava or lol. i would be surprised if both were villagers from how i’m parsing this game. lol i’ve been over. guava had bad posts early on with unjustified confidence from what he was making reads off of and he’s been missing for a while. they’ve randed wolf a a lot recently so i’m more inclined to believe they aren’t interested in playing because they are mafia again, unless something is going on irl.

@Jinxed

If Lol’s Town he could be getting TMI’d though

@Arctic

we’ll worry about that if he is town. but that isn’t a reason for him to be town unless you actively want to murder the people who have been doing this. people need to stop doing stupid preflips and just kill the wolfy people

@Arctic

hazard, what i picked up from last game is that you tend to have a habit of defending consensus poe slots just because there isn’t a rock solid mega outting wolfcase against them but the reality is in most mafia games this doesn’t really happen, especially this early. in fact most times this does happen it’s by a villager who is confbiased and their read is actually just ~rand. on day 2 last game when everyone just kinda accepted porscha was dying, you seemed anxious about it despite the fact there was basically no reason to think they were town and several light reasons to think they were a wolf. i think this may just be caused by your personality - you’re very worried about making a mistake and as a result overthink things. but sometimes i think you should just keep it simple, especially if you aren’t confidently wolfreading anyone

i used to do a similar thing. i still kind of do. i sometimes get too fancy and jump through loops to talk myself out of scumreading the obvious consensus wolf then look dumb the next day. what i’ve noticed helps keep me grounded is reminding myself of the fact that 4 people in this game have to be a wolf, and it would make more sense to kill people who have little reason to be town even if the reasons for them being a wolf aren’t massively convincing. it’s low risk and low accountability. we can look into harder worlds later

if i’m misunderstanding and you think guava has done something towny, then i’d be willing to discuss that with you. but i just don’t really think they have. i think the posts they made after returning weren’t an improvement - they just engaged in some trivial discourse with your slot and agent’s over semantics, and voted agent for blatantly lying about something, which is very surface level, similar to their earlier reads which i also took issue with. i don’t get the impression that guava has a holistic worldview of the game so far which is more likely to come from a wolf, or someone disinterested in playing, but i feel like they are more likely to be disinterested as mafia so it seems to be a bad look either way

@Arctic

i read your more recent posts and what i think is happening is that you’re experiencing the issue of not having read everyone in the game which means that when you read one slot and find something slightly towny from them you want to place them above the other slots you haven’t yet read, but as someone who has read the entire game, i can tell you that there are much better reasons to townread the slots you probably haven’t read than guava

@Jinxed

honestly dude you basically sum up every time i make a scum case. i wanna be fancy with it i dont wanna execute someone cause of vibes cause it feels not good enough for other standards. maybe i do gotta make more risker plays but then the issue is unironically i dont want people to think i ruined a game or threw the game cause i made an awful read. both those things together kinda give you my head space every game and why i always enlongate me calling anyone scum. cause simply i dont wanna be wrong and have others disapointed - h

@Arctic

you only have one vote, and using it wrongly now and again won’t make anyone think of you as a worse player or that you threw the game. trust me i’ve seen “throwing the game” before and it looks nothing like that. you put way too much thought into what you do such that even if you were wrong i wouldn’t consider it throwing, and this is much better than the alternative of not thinking about things at all

[Jinxed]

@Zorvo

Magnus would know that they have BEEN in that position as a wolf before and actually evaluate that and not treat it like they currently are.

The final day AMQ is not comparable to your behaviour this game from the first three days.