April Showers Reconstructed - TOWN VICTORY!

[Leafia]

@Wazza

I told you the last time I brought up this point, I’ve won games doing this exact strategy you’ve just said isn’t allowed to be done because it’s gamethrowing.

Except Bystander is trying to make it look like I’m a wolf, negating the benefits of me bussing if I was actually a wolf. VOTE: Someone

@Wazza

Like I said to you the last time you brought up this point once more, what if the intention isn’t to give the credit to bystander, but instead to shift all of it onto Leafia.

Look at the positive light you have Leafia in, not one bit of mechanical significance to confirm her, and you’ve got her locktown .

This is bull and you know it Wazza. Start townsiding or die.

@Wazza

Bystander might not have even been bussing LittleLee, just ensuring they died to give Leafia the intended credit for the kill.

Bystander was literally trying to make sure I didn’t get any towncred for the kill.

@Wazza

Leafia has contributed nothing this game to future wagons, they were actively against killing bystander and everyone seems to have just heavily ignored this fact, they even claimed to be voting someone that same day they believed to be town.

I was not in any way shape or form against Bystander’s execution and I waz Goose’s heaviest pusher. In fact, I got him to be the one executed instead of someone else.

@Wazza

Leafia claimed for no significant reason just to claim “I’m not vanilla guys look at me!” the next day. They claim to be pointless mechanically now, but than can just easily be a ploy.

And I never claim like that as a wolf. Also, it was because I had no reason not to claim and because I figured doing so would help the town.

@Wazza

Read from before Leafia voted LittleLee to after Leafia voted LittleLee, it feels like two heavily different attitudes, like Leafia was trying to claim some form of credit for the LittleLee kill and show “hey look I contributed I helped kill them”

This is literal BS and you know it Wazza.

@Wazza

None of these posts feel town motivated now that you’re showing me again tbh

Read them again then. Starting to think Wazza and Someone are w/w. Either that or Wazza is an evil aligned neut because she’s being ultra anti town right now.

@Wazza

So now I ask you the question of if she pushed LittleLee to save Zolt, why does she deserve the credit for it then? Why are you giving her credit for the LittleLee push?

Because LittleLee was a wolf. Duh.

@Wazza

Not to mention, I’m not Town and there’s a difference between anti-town and non-town. I could say you’re antitown for your attempt to save Bystander @Leafia, what do you have to say about that?

What attempt? I didn’t try saving Bystander.

@Wazza

Magnus gave a brilliant response to this, but also, I came into Day 3 calling you out for claiming neutral, that’s not me “not batting an eye”, that’s me actively engaging around it, so this makes absolutely no sense as a post in the first place, because I wouldn’t have said anything if I wasn’t “batting an eye”

You literally weren’t doing so. I even had to ask you who else you thought was neut.

@Wazza

Kill Magnus or Leafia who are each active POE.

I’m not in the PoE Wazza.

@Frostwolf103

Everyone in Wazza is a doctor, Leafia.

I’ve now finished reading up on that and I still think Someone is likely a wolf. VOTE: Someone

[Leafia]

Forgot I voted at the start of the post. Oh well. Almost suppertime for me now so talk to everyone more later.

[Wazza]

@Frostwolf103

Everyone in Wazza is a doctor, Leafia.

Everyone is… in me…?

That sounds traumatising

[Frostwolf103]

@Wazza

@Frostwolf103

Everyone in Wazza is a doctor, Leafia.

Everyone is… in me…?

That sounds traumatising

Yeah…

What Leafia need to understand is the existence of doctor hood leaves no room for actual mafia in here, no town tk and neut anticlaim vig can easily bypass so why would second mafia doctor exists?
(See LittleLee)

[Wazza]

@Leafia

She wasn’t pushing me at all despite Goose’s flip and her thinking that I claimed neut. Also, Wazza literally has a history of calling herself confirmed when she’s a wolf.

@Leafia

Calling bull on this because you never even tried to push me once.

You gotta realise that I’m neutral, stop looking at me with rose-tinted town glasses, I’m not town and to me, the neutral killer just flipped so I saw no room for another one. Coming into Day 3 regardless of if you’re a neut or not, the only threat you had were to me at the time was just being a lack of claim room for me, I actively was trying to get the game to get to end quicker so I needed to try and kill the mafia, not someone I thought was neut.

@Leafia

Frost is practically confirmed.

Practically Confirmed =/= Confirmed

@Leafia

No it isn’t and you didn’t protect Zolt N2 so why couldn’t you have protected him N3?

How many times do I have to explain this, Zolt swapped themself with Teen, if I had protected Zolt, I would’ve been swapped to protecting Teen, which wouldn’t have mattered as Teen was attacked and the attack was swapped to Teen.

@Leafia

There’s no way you think I’m a wolf here with how well you know me. I’m also one of the villageriest players alive.

you aren’t.

@Leafia

Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

finally, realisation.

@Leafia

EoD1 and how Bystander treated my slot.

The way Bystander treated your slot is much more in favour of you being mafia to be honest.

@Leafia

Please stop wolfsiding. Because if you get another villager executed, you’ll be executed next.

Executing me in F6 while believing I’m a neutral would be borderline game-ending for town I’ll be honest.

@Leafia

Bystander was the wolf bussing LittleLee. No way are two wolves on LittleLee’s wagon. They wanted to save him.

There’s actively no reason to be saying “They wanted to save him” when 1/2 of the wolves that can vote on LittleLee are guaranteed voting on LittleLee, it’s genuinely not an inaccurate assumption to believe that there’s 2/2 wolves that can vote LittleLee on LittleLee.

@Leafia

Blatently untrue. I have a confirmed day ability.

My apologies, you do.

@Leafia

Except Bystander is trying to make it look like I’m a wolf, negating the benefits of me bussing if I was actually a wolf. VOTE: Someone

This is called distancing, you know this, Leafia, you’ve played this for a long time by now.

@Leafia

This is bull and you know it Wazza. Start townsiding or die.

Threatening the neutral is generally not the way to go, especially after you actively voted me and have failed to convince me on literally anything.

If I die, I die, I’m not too bothered and I can just move on, I hold no reliance on my victory, threatening me changes nothing here.

@Leafia

Bystander was literally trying to make sure I didn’t get any towncred for the kill.

And in turn, gave you towncred when she flipped.

Why didn’t you find this suspicious? Why did you think Bystander was town.

@Leafia

I was not in any way shape or form against Bystander’s execution and I waz Goose’s heaviest pusher. In fact, I got him to be the one executed instead of someone else.

I showed the post about the fact you believed Bystander was town, it wasn’t as much as I remembered it being, but it’s still you believing them to be town.

Also, your push on Goose means nothing because Mafia didn’t know they were neutral either, was literally just moving from a potential-mislynch to another potential-mislynch.

@Leafia

And I never claim like that as a wolf. Also, it was because I had no reason not to claim and because I figured doing so would help the town.

It… wouldn’t have though. All you did was claim, your claim didn’t mean anything and we moved on as it meant… nothing.

@Leafia

Read them again then. Starting to think Wazza and Someone are w/w.

So you’re saying it’s 10v4v1, with two members of mafia being in the same doctor hood with just one town.

@Leafia

Because LittleLee was a wolf. Duh.

Actively voting a player to save another doesn’t mean you’re right on the player you voted on, it means you were right on the player you saved. There is a difference, they aren’t the same thing, you don’t get credit for it. You’re the reason LittleLee died, you’re not getting credit for it though.

@Leafia

You literally weren’t doing so. I even had to ask you who else you thought was neut.

I stated I thought you were neut almost immediately, I honestly thought it was common knowledge and everyone knew, I made that clear in my post.

Hell, Meme and Someone thought you were neutral as well and both can confirm.

@Leafia

I’m not in the PoE Wazza.

yes you are.

@Leafia

I’ve now finished reading up on that and I still think Someone is likely a wolf. VOTE: Someone

Despite reading up on what I stated about the mechanical significance of killing either you or Magnus, you’d still vote Someone? Your vote on Someone allows diminishing of two hoods and a neutral in one phase, you do realise that right?

[Wazza]

My main worry at the moment is if we execute Magnus here and Leafia tomorrow, the fuck do we do if the game is still going, we’re forced to no-exe unless our doc-hood saves someone

[Leafia]

Laughs True.

[Kiiruma]

It’s hard sometimes to realise what people mean.
But context can be useful sometimes.

[Kiiruma]

That’s the biggest issue.
We’re in a situation where it’s likely Leafia / Magnus.
But if not then we’ve got a wolf in a hood of players in which Bys’ flip kinda suggests it should be pure…

Or we have a wolf in your hood.

[Leafia]

@Wazza

You gotta realise that I’m neutral, stop looking at me with rose-tinted town glasses, I’m not town and to me, the neutral killer just flipped so I saw no room for another one. Coming into Day 3 regardless of if you’re a neut or not, the only threat you had were to me at the time was just being a lack of claim room for me, I actively was trying to get the game to get to end quicker so I needed to try and kill the mafia, not someone I thought was neut.

The thing is, I find it hard to believe that you thought this game could have three neuts.

Not impossible though.

@Wazza

you aren’t.

You’re not the one that decides who’s villagery and who isn’t.

@Wazza

The way Bystander treated your slot is much more in favour of you being mafia to be honest.

No it isn’t. Not even close.

@Wazza

Executing me in F6 while believing I’m a neutral would be borderline game-ending for town I’ll be honest.

Wait, there’s only 6 players alive? I thought we had more living players.

@Wazza

And in turn, gave you towncred when she flipped.

Why didn’t you find this suspicious? Why did you think Bystander was town.

She didn’t plan on flipping. No one plans on flipping.

@Wazza

It… wouldn’t have though. All you did was claim, your claim didn’t mean anything and we moved on as it meant… nothing.

Wrong. It did help the town.

@Wazza

So you’re saying it’s 10v4v1, with two members of mafia being in the same doctor hood with just one town.

Not completely impossible but also not too likely.

@Wazza

Actively voting a player to save another doesn’t mean you’re right on the player you voted on, it means you were right on the player you saved. There is a difference, they aren’t the same thing, you don’t get credit for it. You’re the reason LittleLee died, you’re not getting credit for it though.

It’s as good as the same thing when the person you’re voting on flips wolf. Also, there’s no way both of LittleLee’s partners were voting for LittleLee with the support that a Volt exe got. It never would’ve gotten such support if it hadn’t been wolfled.

@Wazza

This is called distancing, you know this, Leafia, you’ve played this for a long time by now.

She had no reason to distance at that point in time and if I was a wolf, why didn’t I swap to Bystander EoD 3?

@Wazza

yes you are.

You don’t get to decide the PoE Wazza. Everyone decides it together and you and Someone are the only ones who think I could be a wolf. If either of you truly think that way.

@Wazza

Despite reading up on what I stated about the mechanical significance of killing either you or Magnus, you’d still vote Someone? Your vote on Someone allows diminishing of two hoods and a neutral in one phase, you do realise that right?

Someone is literally howling right now Wazza.

[Leafia]

If both Magnus and I are exed and we’re both town and only 6 people are alive right now, the game literly ends with the wolves winning. Don’t wolfside Wazza. You owe me that much after that one game.

[SultanOfSlam]

VOTE: someone

[Magnus]

Uhm, we have eight living players?

[Leafia]

That sounds more correct.

[Magnus]

Assuming one kill per night from one evil, irrespective of whether Wazza truly leaves in XELO or not, there are still three prospective executions.

[Magnus]

It’s right there in the OP.
I’m guessing Wazza was referring to killing down to F6 by eliminating them, but the topic was later addressed in an unclear way.

[Leafia]

That makes me feel better honestly.

[Leafia]

Calling it a night now so good night.

[Someone]

@Kiiruma

But if not then we’ve got a wolf in a hood of players in which Bys’ flip kinda suggests it should be pure…

Host said that isnt true btw, like multiple evils can have that passive in that hood.

[Someone]

VOTE: Magnus