Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

[Jarek]

I have no idea tbh it’s probably the illuminati.

to be honest this whole thing just seems to have happened and people like magnus and arctic and blah blah are just pitching in and picking sides which is honestly not a good thing if you ask me. In an ideal world this is W/T but if it’s not then we are literally just doing nothing while we fight over 2 villagers killing eachother for no reason

[Lemonfairy]

@Magnus

Please analyse nightkills, everyone.
“Everyone townreads this person but they’ve survived six days straight… gee.”

I’ve actually been in a game where everyone was scumreading an obvtown that was trying to solve just because they were still alive

actually, it was Arete who was the obvtown and scum was keeping them alive to fuel paranoia

so yeah, can’t really apply this to every game
I have nothing else to add

[Lemonfairy]

@Jarek

I have no idea tbh it’s probably the illuminati.

who? what?

[Jarek]

[Arctic]

@Zorvo

Was right on Rue - Lost that Game
Was right on SillyKitty - Lost that Game
Was right on Vulgard - Lost that Game

The pain I have to go through each game.

being correct on one wolf in a game is roughly rand accuracy

@Zorvo

This, this is why.

This is why people complain about me because people are for some reason incapable of understanding what I say.

Arete Makes Bad Push
OH MY!

I push Arete
WOW!

Another player votes me
YEET!

Arete votes that player (Eliza)
OOOOOOO

You get it yet?

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean

[Lemonfairy]

@May

Speaking of brief openers & responses to the Q&A, Lemon’s here. Hi, Lemon. You’ll be seeing this when you wake up. Are you going to townread me this time around or nah. After a near-identical opening to Eliza’s, I soft read those two as not W/W, though Lemon specifically noted needing to catch up, so maybe she just… didn’t read? I think a wolf would read, though, and lie about not reading. So I think the read still stands.

hi May

I’ve been awake for some time
you’ve placed great faith in me by assuming I will actually backread and see this post but I guess I have lived up to your expectations

idk if I’ll townread you or not
depends on how hard you obvtown

Eliza’s opening was the same as mine?
she’s probably town from the mindmeld

you’re right, I’d skim through everything as wolf and then pretend I still need to catch up
and then actually read everything again while responding
it’s 2x as much work
which is pain

actually, I do the same as town sometimes too
(don’t tell anyone)

[Lemonfairy]

very nice

[Arctic]

@Arete

I don’t think this makes sense to me, Arctic was questioning May’s read which is the opposite of “propping it up”

what do you think the villager response is to someone making a read that you disagree with in the very-early game?

@Magnus can you answer this

@Magnus

This is a misrepresentation. After your vote on May you never really returned to the case.

i did, in fact, talk about may again. multiple times, even! here are my posts talking about may:

@Arctic

@May

I won’t couch this in too many words: I agree with Zorvo, Arete’s pinging a bit wolfy to me, VOTE: Arete

and i am just like. what? i can get that you may scumread for arete for the reasons you gave before (even though i don’t agree), but if the implication of this post is that you think seth’s arguments in particular hold any merit then i am fairly concerned (having actually read them and concluding that they are certifiably ), in conjunction with the timing of this making me feel like it’s a deferral of responsibility to seth for a vote on a villager

@Arctic

seth/magnus/may. eliza?
problem is a bunch of these people are clearly not w/w
magnus/may being the main one, i think (see: may’s callout of magnus’s post joking about wolfchat being one that a wolf would probably be too scared to make on a partner, plus her callout of magnus’s lack of a vote)
eliza/seth… is. huh. one second

@Arctic

i feel like magnus and may are both playing into seth’s undue reads in a way that is more likely to be egging on a villager rather than a collaborative w/w effort and i really don’t like it

and if you are going to argue that you were talking about posts before these ones, then you are quite literally scumreading me for not talking about someone within 1-2 hours of me last mentioning them (because before today i was only in the thread for a few hours after the game started), which is like. laughably bad, for obvious reasons!

[Arctic]

@Magnus

@Arctic

if you read my iso fully you will have explanations for both of these

You moved Eliza way later.

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@Arctic

fwiw, the reason i started to suspect eliza and townread arete was due to arete’s post on eliza being in commentary mode. for arete, i find it unlikely wolf them would have had the thought to change gear mid-seth argument and call out eliza for being in commentary mode while they were trying to leverage a push on seth (considering that eliza had also just voted seth at this point) so i think it indicates they have a malleable view of the game. for eliza, well. i just agreed with the post lol

@Arctic

i think i’m at something like

varying levels of town: arete, neon, jarek, molly, prisma
varying levels of wolfy: zorvo(?), eliza, may, magnus

which for anti-aligning reasons i stated earlier feels probably wrong. but then again i don’t have reads on like half the game yet so i feel like this is unavoidable

these posts occurred in this order, within 30 minutes of each other, from reasoning that occurred just as i decided to go to sleep.

[Arctic]

if anyone feels like wagoning an actual wolf, please join me on magnus

[Lemonfairy]

wow, I usually always roll wolf for my first games
and I rarely rand wolf normally

[Jarek]

is it because of the profile picture be honest

[Lemonfairy]

@Prisma101

VOTE: otterpopd

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: otterpopd

what is happening here lol

[Arctic]

if i wanted to vote someone based on profile pictures it’d probably be otter because wtf is that

[Lemonfairy]

this is too happy and friendly
scumlean

actually, no
with the previous post it’s alright
townlean

[Jarek]

A based take.

[Magnus]

@Arctic

@Arete

I don’t think this makes sense to me, Arctic was questioning May’s read which is the opposite of “propping it up”

what do you think the villager response is to someone making a read that you disagree with in the very-early game?

@Magnus can you answer this

Did I misunderstand something? Arctic was questioning May’s read to get them to broaden it and to hopefully feel more confident in it. Accusing May is a good look, but the same sentiment isn’t there whenever you supposedly returned to the case later. Eliza/May aren’t competing leading wagons.

Arete (1): Arctic
ElizaThePsycho (1): May

Not Voting (13): Zorvo, Aleph, Arete, Lemonfairy, Magnus, ElizaThePsycho, Jarek, Arogame123, otterpopd, Phraze, Neon, mollylikesorigami, Prisma101

Y’know what, that could explain why you dropped your read on Eliza. You said you agreed with Arete’s reasoning, but you never even responded to his case.

@Arete

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

anyways I changed my mind I think Eliza is going full commentary-mode (like, more than she normally does)

@Arete

like we are at a sports game and most of us are running around trying to get the ball from one side of the field or the other side of the field, or at least doing a convincing approximation of that, but you don’t actually have an investment in getting the ball anywhere [in this analogy that corresponds to how wolves don’t need to solve the game] and so instead are making like, vague tangential remarks, rather than actually having any investment in figuring out what’s happening

@ElizaThePsycho

taking bets on if seth changes his mind at all for the rest of the game

this^ was the specific post that prompted the read but some other ones that also feel that way are

@Arete

I think that Eliza, rather than having intrinsic motivation to solve the game, is rather acting as a “commentator” who remarks on random things to fill space rather than because they really care about them/believe them/think they are relevant, and that this points to her being mafia who doesn’t need to solve the game [she does some of this as town but I think usually less?]

I am voting for her because of this

does that clear things up?

why do you think Eliza is villagery?

You never actually responded to anything. This could be a stretch, though, so I won’t make that assumption.

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@Arctic

i did, in fact, talk about may again. multiple times, even! here are my posts talking about may:

[quote=“Arctic, post:480, topic:3686”]

@Arctic

@May

I won’t couch this in too many words: I agree with Zorvo, Arete’s pinging a bit wolfy to me, VOTE: Arete
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and i am just like. what? i can get that you may scumread for arete for the reasons you gave before (even though i don’t agree), but if the implication of this post is that you think seth’s arguments in particular hold any merit then i am fairly concerned (having actually read them and concluding that they are certifiably ), in conjunction with the timing of this making me feel like it’s a deferral of responsibility to seth for a vote on a villager

@Arctic

seth/magnus/may. eliza?

problem is a bunch of these people are clearly not w/w
magnus/may being the main one, i think (see: may’s callout of magnus’s post joking about wolfchat being one that a wolf would probably be too scared to make on a partner, plus her callout of magnus’s lack of a vote)
eliza/seth… is. huh. one second

@Arctic

i feel like magnus and may are both playing into seth’s undue reads in a way that is more likely to be egging on a villager rather than a collaborative w/w effort and i really don’t like it

#1 involves you uplifting Arete while accusing May of pocketing Zorvo, despite admitting they already had reasons to scumread Arete. It’s a way of diminishing the presence of them both.
#2 and #3 are fair enough, although they contradict each other if you scumread May and myself independently, if we cannot be aligned in your eyes. FMPOV, inclined to believe May is Town, this looks like a very easy way to chain misexes.

[Arctic]

@Magnus

Did I misunderstand something? Arctic was questioning May’s read to get them to broaden it and to hopefully feel more confident in it. Accusing May is a good look, but the same sentiment isn’t there whenever you supposedly returned to the case later. Eliza/May aren’t competing leading wagons.

you are ascribing motivations to my posts
i asked may to expand on it because i wanted to see if it was something she believed, i didn’t want to influence the confidence in her read and i have no idea why’d think this from the post i made
i also have no idea why eliza/may not being wagons is even remotely relevant to this

@Magnus

You said you agreed with Arete’s reasoning, but you never even responded to his case.

i said i thought arete was town when they made that post, and went to sleep
the next time i spoke about eliza (today) was in reference to the post arete made

@Magnus

#1 involves you uplifting Arete while accusing May of pocketing Zorvo, despite admitting they already had reasons to scumread Arete. It’s a way of diminishing the presence of them both.
#2 and #3 are fair enough, although they contradict each other if you scumread May and myself independently, if we cannot be aligned in your eyes. FMPOV, inclined to believe May is Town, this looks like a very easy way to chain misexes.

i don’t know what you are trying to say in #1. diminishing who, how?

#2 and #3 again, laughably bad. i’m allowed to scumread two players who i think have been independently wolfy while thinking they aren’t aligned, especially on day 1. what i’ve been trying to do is figure out which of you is more likely a wolf

[Arete]

@Magnus

Did I misunderstand something? Arctic was questioning May’s read to get them to broaden it and to hopefully feel more confident in it. Accusing May is a good look, but the same sentiment isn’t there whenever you supposedly returned to the case later. Eliza/May aren’t competing leading wagons.

That is pretty much the exact opposite of how I read Arctic’s post regardless of his alignment

Like as far as I can tell what happened was basically:

• May: “I think Eliza is sus because her early posts were very short and contentless”
• Arctic: “I disagree with that, Eliza does that as town, and as wolf she would be more likely to feel the need to make fake content. Have you ever seen her play scum?”

I am not really sure how you get from there to ‘Arctic wanted May to feel more confident in it’

@Magnus

#2 and #3 are fair enough, although they contradict each other if you scumread May and myself independently, if we cannot be aligned in your eyes. FMPOV, inclined to believe May is Town, this looks like a very easy way to chain misexes.

how confident are you in Arctic being scum?

[Arctic]

one of the hardest parts about wolfing, magnus, is being able to make convincing pushes on villagers when you know they are town

i can show you a thing or two one time after this game because you could do with stepping up your methods a bit