Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered

So I have a readlist I wrote up on day 1 but some parts of it don’t really apply anymore and I don’t want to work from it for that reason. Instead, I’ll just say a couple of things that are probably important for the gamestate.

VOTE: Arete

VOTE: Arete

You have no idea how much I was hoping to get this chance

Arete the most obvious wolf I’ve ever seen and somehow you let them live to DAY THREE

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Might as well share the read I had on Phraze because lol. It’s slightly updated to account for some newer stuff.

Phraze – nullscum – her just posting hello and dipping in the early-game is an extremely bad look, knowing her usual pattern of not doing anything as mafia for the most part. She has a later post where she gives more reads and considering how pathetic her wolfgame is that post might just push her out of wolfrange, but if she was coached to make it then we’ll be screwed for misclearing it so I’m still keeping Phraze here.

The most I can say about Molly is that her accusation of otterpop on day 1 seemed creative and aggressive enough coupled with its earliness to make Molly a villager. That said, this is the only point I have in her favor at the moment and other than that post I would say she’s in her wolfrange.

Explain.

Also the Magnus elim was absolutely atrocious

I checked the thread d1 and wanted to dunk on arete ever since

Pretty sure once you read their posts you’ll agree

I’ll be honest, I was townreading Arete while actively reading the thread and I thought you were collectively bad at reading them.

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I haven’t misread arete in over a year

Because first of all, I think the gamestate is much more difficult for town than it needs to be because you’ve kept arguing with each other and misunderstanding each other instead of working together. I think Zorvo/Arctic/May/Arete is pure. See where the problem lies? I’m still going to hear you out on Arete, but I think Jarek put things very well in this post (which I townread him for):

So.

I’m currently at otter or molly (probably not both, molly would be randomly bussing d1 when unnecessary) + Prisma +1. I read Lemonfairy’s ISO a few moments ago and thought she could be a wolf, because she appears to be remarkably less passionate in this game than I would expect from her if she randed town, but she cranked it up in her last few posts and I now believe she is probably town. I don’t feel super strongly about it but I think she can convince me if she is capable of keeping this up and I can interact with her a bit. I thought the +1 could be Phraze, but knowing how pathetic her wolfgame is, the post where she gave several reads might just clear her - and I also want to give Marl space here.

The +1 could be Arete, I suppose, especially since they are defending Prisma for some reason when I think they don’t deserve it. I actually townread them for trying to prevent Prisma from being cleared on day 1 which I think was warranted, not sure why they changed their mind @Arete. I also had the thought that arogame dying cleared otterpop because I think he wrote up a post defending otterpop before he died. In which case it would be molly/prisma/+1 (maybe Arete then).

I think Zorvo is the most obvious villager in the game and Arctic is a close second. Arctic’s wrongpush on Magnus is the towny kind of wrongpush. Lemonfairy I described above.

I think Jarek could reasonably be a wolf, but his post about the gamestate early on was good, and I found his posts about Zorvo villagery as well.

I feel like May has been misunderstood a lot but from reading their ISO I do sense some kind of difference so maybe I was too hasty in declaring them town.

Yeah I think the entire wolfteam might’ve piled on Magnus if otterpop is a wolf, I don’t see molly bussing like this (even though I’ve already bussed day 1 with her, but this is different) and the other voters are two flipped villagers + Lemonfairy (whom I’ve just explained my read on).

“But Vulgard, why not the offwagoners?”

Aleph is my slot and the slot is town.
May isn’t w/w with otterpop. Otterpop repeatedly tried to bring up May and interact with them on day 1 in a way that partners don’t, and May was not receptive at all.
Jarek vanity voting Zorvo actually makes him more likely town for being petty enough to do this after his expressed reasoning on Zorvo basically being a kill he wants to make on policy.
Eliza is a flipped villager.
Magnus is a flipped villager.
And Phraze is a slot that Marl just replaced into and which is super polarized to the point I almost cleared her for writing a paragraph that contained reads. I’m a bit wary about clearing it because it feels really bad but I overcorrected for my unwillingness to clear her last game and she was indeed town so I’m applying the same heuristic.

Here it was
Actually just the most ??? Post because arete knows that isn’t even how scum Eliza operates

I 100% agreed with this read when it was made.

my bad memories were about to set in after seeing you and I was going to gut scumread you from paranoia + Phraze had decent wolf equity but then I read this post and I like it :wowee:

throw you in towns for now

also, I just remembered that Prisma exists
and that there are 3 wolves

Arete/May/Prisma wolfteam? :wowee:

Arete just did a lot of things on day 1 that I would’ve done as well, up until the point they pushed on Magnus. The commentary mode take on Eliza was good, preventing Prisma from being cleared was good, and they are also completely correct in that Zorvo’s push on them is bad in a vacuum as well as bad for the gamestate. If they are a wolf then they did a surprising number of things right, seemingly without trying to.

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