Cookie Thread Act 3: The Cookie Strikes Back

The Drowning Child

Good, that response shows you’re clearly the sensible type.

Let’s recap what’s going on here. You have come across a small child who having gotten into difficulty in a shallow pond is crying in distress and possibly at risk of drowning. You have accepted you have a moral obligation to rescue the child even though by doing so you will muddy your clothes. The issue we’re now looking at is whether your obligation to help might be cancelled in particular circumstances.

A Degree of Uncertainty

Let’s imagine that there is some uncertainty attached to the situation. You know you’re not going to come to any harm if you attempt the rescue, but you can’t be sure that your efforts will make any difference to how things turn out. This is partly for the counterfactual reason that if you don’t intervene, then it is possible that somebody else will do so, thereby bringing about the same result (i.e., the rescue of the child from the pond); and it is partly because it is possible that by the time you reach the child, it will already be too late.

It is important to be clear about the precise situation here. You have good reason to suppose that your intervention will bring about a better outcome than would otherwise be the case, but you can’t be sure about it . The question is - does this element of uncertainty mean you’re no longer obliged to go ahead with the rescue attempt?

I am still morally obliged to attempt the rescue
This element of uncertainty means I’m not morally obliged to attempt the rescue

still morally obligated

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I value my job more than that of people I don’t know. So if anyone else looks the kid’s way, peace bro

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This way of thinking is very foreign to me

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Is this a trolling thread, i cant tell yet

youre interesting
what do you think the point of life is

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i’m pushing some other bozo in and making it a certainty that i wouldn’t help

i don’t like uncertainty and seek to eliminate it whenever possible

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i think in binary so to think someone else might do it doesn’t make sense

holy shit hi rachel lol welcome

you joined in the middle of an ethics discussion

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Oh I just mean N.1

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oh

To keep pushing for more intense exhilaration highs because there’s no other way to outpace anxiety and retain my sanity

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Not really.

All strangers are me

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The Drowning Child

Right, that seems as if it’s got to be the correct answer. If there is a moral obligation to help the child, it would be very odd to think this disappears just because we can’t be absolutely certain any particular intervention will be beneficial, particularly if we have good reason to think that actually it will be beneficial.

The Old Bike

Now consider another variation on the basic scenario. It so happens that you cycle to work, and the pond is located in a park where you know a gang of bicycle thieves operates. You don’t have time to lock up your bike, and you know that if you leave it, even briefly, to rescue the child, there’s a good chance that it’ll be stolen. It’s a battered old bike, it doesn’t hold any particular sentimental value to you, and you can easily replace it. Does the possibility your bike will be stolen while you’re saving the child mean you’re no longer obliged to go ahead with the rescue?

It makes no difference that my bike might be stolen, I still have a moral obligation to save the child.
It makes a difference that my bike might be stolen. I’m no longer obligated to save the child.

you see this is because you’re generally unempathetic

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wouldnt saving a person from drowning be exhilarating?
especially if they have little to nil time left before giving out

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Strangers are strangers.

If this is a serious thread, you all should be glad I arrived.

My takes on anything are typically 100% based