Cookie Thread Act 4: katze thread

[notblackorwhite]

It’s primarily a fan fiction forum and they have minimum writing standards.

[Arete]

the obvious conclusion here is that writing slightly edgy Harry Potter fanfic makes you better at mafia,

[Amelia]

Oh that makes sense okay

(Is still confused)

[Amelia]

Like i get it but at tbe same time

[Chloe]

dlp discussion reminded me eliezer yudkowsky exists

arete’s favorite person

[Arete]

their rules page is titled, I am not making this up, “Morons Need Not Apply”

my understanding (which could be wrong) is that many of the early members/staff really wanted to ensure there was some Minimum Bar Of Quality, and one of their strategies for doing so was being a hard-ass about making sure that people were more-or-less following standard English conventions

[Arete]

@Chloe

arete’s favorite person

fuck you >:(

[Chloe]

@Arete

my favorite part of the mafia ban thing was when random Chief Delphi people decided to wax poetic about how clearly we mafia players were just ~fundamentally different~ and ~didn’t understand the core values of FIRST~ or whatever

like friendos I did FIRST programs for eight years! there is not some Magical Essence Of FIRST that you have and I do not

didnt marissa like literally win FIRST champs or some shit

[Arete]

yes but not until later so she couldn’t bring it up at the time

[Chloe]

she should go be petty and bring it up now

[Amelia]

I swear this reminds me of a conversation ive had with Priestess

[notblackorwhite]

I know you’re making a joke here, but I think Voxxicus is one of the best players to ever do it, and he spent weeks reading over old games with Newcomb, whose brain is clearly wired in the right ways, in some “how to be a good villager” bootcamp, and then just became a villaging monster. Cphoya is someone I never played with, but watched play a lot of video mafia. Like dozens and dozens of games, and he never lost as mafia. Cphoya is also the author of perhaps the greatest mafia copypasta of all time. A man of many talents.

[Chloe]

Cuth is one idr the others
And cuth is VERY good at mafia

[notblackorwhite]

One is a girl that I first saw in video mafia, and I’m so mad I cannot remember her name.

[Arete]

you might be remembering her being obnoxious about how forumers weren’t living up to ToL values, or you might be remembering her being ~self-righteous about Chief Delphi banning mafia, but it could be either really

[Ash]

@notblackorwhite

Cphoya is also the author of perhaps the greatest mafia copypasta of all time.

You can’t just say that and then not drop it.

[Amelia]

I’m pretty sure it was the former i do not remember her talking about chief delphi

[notblackorwhite]

there’s like a 0% chance you haven’t already seen it and just didn’t know who wrote it

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else’s time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I’ve reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the seer. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peek.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the seer. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the seer cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I’m lock clear: All of you already know I’m lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I’ve ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally [i]know[i] that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of
   them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I know that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not **** up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 11 players you need to try to read, rather than 12: I have already provided a “free” peek of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the seer, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I’m “neutral” or “wolfy.” That is legitimately stupid, and I won’t entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They’re universes apart. That means I wouldn’t DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn’t BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of oding this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

[orangeandblack5]

well

one of our games died and the other is still going

so

[Chloe]

fontisian?