Dicey Dungeons FM (8/15) - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

[Arctic]

@Zone_Q11

@Arctic

also when i accused him of having TMI that mistyx was mafia he interpreted it as me misunderstanding him rather than calling him mafia

Wait, how does this imply that VooDoo is towny?
It implies he is composed, but I don’t see how his response is particularly towny.

@Arctic

it probably doesn’t mean much because it could have just been him not understanding the term properly even after the explanation, but i think wolves would be more likely to interpret the accusation for what it really is

Erm… I can read the sentences, but I am having a hard time understanding what they mean.
Could you elaborate further on this, and give an example?

mafia are more likely to notice or pick up on hints of when someone is accusing them because they have a guilty conscience and will be looking out for it

it’s a stupid read but that’s what i was trying to say

[Kanave]

Looking at Shark and Jarek’s back and forth shows nothing good. Shark especially. Posts like #959 just seem like a parrot of the defense Jarek gave earlier about not wanting to be wrong even though it had already been disscussed in thread why that isn’t important.
Both of them kept bringing up being botc players, and were correlating it to their maf play.
It doesn’t matter.
Posts like:

@Sharklifter

question: where has he done that, two out of all people you are pushing me for this? I don’t really like that tbh, considering the fact I’ve posted a bunch of train of thought, nor do I understand what a ‘‘pure’’ post is

Just seems like deflecting the accusation. They are trying to defend themselves without actually having to do so.
Then their interaction with Jarek can be boiled down to accusations which they never actually commited to and disscussion about another game.
They also bring up having an evil mindset repeatedly, to defend a claim they made about guilt and why it’s towny that they would feel guilty about being wrong, and read more as them trying to again, explain that the read on them is wrong and not any attempts at actually moving the game forward.

Jarek on the another hand also never really commit to anything they were saying. They didn’t want to bring stuff up in case it was wrong, and just don’t commit to anything they’ve said and as a result, they haven’t contributed much.

@Jarek

I don’t agree with me or agent being on this list but I can kinda see why we’d both be on there.

So do you like the list or no? What does it make you think of Voodoo? Most of their posts can be summerized as “I think X but also not X”
I think I’d want to vote Shark over Jarek here, but nethier seems to have traction.

[Arctic]

do you think they’re likely to be w/w?

[Wazza]

Alright
Read parts of the thread, skimmed through the rest, deciding to place my vote here for undisclosed reasons for the timebeing, I might move it more towards the end of the day
/vote ATNoName @Host_Account_1

Current thoughts going from most town to least town, I’m not holding back on these reads btw as I can’t be bothered second-guessing myself:

Arctic
Litten
Agent47
Kiiruma
Sharklifter

Aelin
Jarek
Zone_Q11

VooDooSh
Mistyx
ATNoName

Not placing because of lack of content:
Magnus
Kanave
GamblingAddict

I’m willing to give explanations on all of these as I can explain my thought process behind each and every one of them

[Wazza]

@Arctic
don’t say I don’t ever do stuff for ya

[Kanave]

Some various town leany thoughts on other players:
Arctic I prolly woulda voted early game cause their posts read as trying to appear productive without realy being so, but they’ve contributed enough after the fact that I’d lean them town.
Voodoo is literally playing FM as if it were video mafia. Reading him as if he were a VM player, I’d read him town, so I’m putting him town for now. (except for their omgus that was p bad lol) Edit: oh they mech had too? LMAO good role design
ATNo I don’t like the pressure they’ve gotten. I think despite the low post count many of their early posts (past the first 3-4) have been pushing the game forward and making content.
Mistyx’s few posts are also towny esp #766
Kiiruma is town lean idk why I just read that from their posts bleh

[Arctic]

@Wazza

I’m willing to give explanations on all of these as I can explain my thought process behind each and every one of them

explain as many of kiiruma, sharklifter and skadoosh as you want

[Kanave]

Honestly? I can see it. Namely the way they accused each other and then just kinda played it off jokingly, felt like they didn’t really treat each others talk with as much consideration as the rest of thread, except for their talk about a different game. The difference in their conversations about content and not about content def reads like atleast 1 is a wolf

[Kanave]

@Sharklifter

im doing neither

im going with my own opinion as im very good at that

okay reading on further this is kinda like, the opposite of what they’ve been doing all game. (which ig means that it’s kinda towny bc i’ve read most of their stuff as wolfy but the inconsistency aint a great look ethier)

[Zone_Q11]

@Sharklifter

I talked with them and about them a couple of hours ago, but they are sus to me because they are too pushy to be a pusher, as in it feels like rather than a goodie trying to get information, it feels like a baddie trying to make a good guy slip up on their words and out what they are, or get killed for a free kill, while looking like they did a wrong read rather than a baddie, that’s what I’m thinking so far

@Sharklifter

@ATNoName

so from what I’m understanding, they are trying to make town say things that would make them look like a wolf and then attempt to mislynch them when they haven’t voted at all?

Yeah, it feels like more of a baddie pushing for pressure rather than information to me.

I don’t recall any of such posts. Could you quote a couple of them?

@Sharklifter

All they know is that they are town, yes, but sometimes pressure can create stress (its been done plenty of times and works from what I can see) and with that stress people panic usually and mess up on defending themselves, it doesn’t feel like a push for ‘‘information’’ rather than a push for pressure to then make them slip up, and just go for it, which then causes the town to be focused on the accused and accuser, which is bad because in that situation, 2 town being pushed is horrible imo

I don’t understand this logic. Are you saying that Aelin looks like a mastermind to you who is doing nothing while she lets townies push other townies? Because otherwise you are implying in the last sentences that Aelin herself is a townie as well.

@Sharklifter

They have done a lot, specifically create the vote on both Kii and Voodoo, Kii has obviously been spared by the looks of it from them for now but now pushing onto Voodoo, which both to me are my biggest reads of being town at the moment, which goes into my theory of number 1 of a baddie pushing town to keep away attention from other baddies and push it on to the accuseds and themselves to get a couple of kills.

…Shark, based on this post, I see that you think Aelin is pushing Kiiruma and VooDoo -which is correct; that did happen- but: Did you see who else she pushed?

Your theory says that she is pushing town to keep the attention away from other wolves.
So with that in mind, I ask you: “Who do you think she is keeping the attention away from, by pushing Kiiruma and VooDoo?”

@Litten

Actually on a whole, who here scumreads shark and why? Not just Arctic.

@Litten

Similarly, if you town read him - why?

I am on the fence with Shark. On one side, he seems tonally pure. On the other side, I disagree a lot with his thought process. I am having the same problem with VooDoo as well, and I am inclined to believe that they are either V/V or W/W.

@Arctic

[Shark] doesn’t seem annoyed by the fact i repeatedly call them a wolf which is not what i would expect from newb town. when i was a newer wolf i never got annoyed by people calling me a wolf and never bothered to pretend i was annoyed

When did this happen?

@VooDooSh

/vote Sharklifter @LadyLuck
I’m convinced.

I… change my statement about Shark/VooDoo being either V/V or W/W.
This quick change of heart seems opportunistic, which I don’t believe comes from town.

@Arctic

@Sharklifter

i thought you did at one point im stupid, thought you said something about sussing the people not giving reads about you

But what I think: Neutral opinion, sided mafia (so neutral pointing towards mafia to me, but not exactly yet)
Active pusher but in my opinion too active on a push, it feels like the push albeit understandable feels a bit out there already and too hard to me because it is this early, it feels like a baddie trying to pressure a town into looking bad and slipping up however that’s just me personally on how people push and etc, you could easily change but for now its kind of the line between i dont know and the i dont trust you part, however that could easily change as we are on the first day, and of course as we play differently most likely (And also because im newer to forums, but don’t take my new to forums as in, new to SD, I play a lot of SD so I don’t really want people disregarding me as a baddie cause im ‘‘new’’ as it feels like a card to get out of reading me)

@Litten this was probably the best example of that

the entire bolded part looks like the sort of thing a newb wolf will include as a pre-apology sort of thing when they know they are pushing on a villager and think that it will look bad

…I now understand why VooDoo quickly had a change of heart about Shark, but I still believe that the vote was opportunistic as it was too sudden. Speaking of which, given this information, I no longer know what Shark/VooDoo are, but definitely not V/V. There should be at least one wolf within them.

@Kiiruma

I’m still planning on doing a big reads thing and @ 'ing Aelin when I’ve done it.
But I just had to pop in for a second to say.
What in the actual fuck are you doing and saying VooDooSh?

You voted Shark and then 2 seconds later it sounds like you have a gun to your head and you vote me.
Explain yourself ffs

@Kiiruma

Uh no I’m not overreacting.
Fucking say more.
The heck?!

…? Where did this aggressiveness come from?
Who hurt you?

@Kiiruma

Do you disagree for even a fucking second?
I know claiming isn’t good and fishing is a bad look on me.
But holy fuck that ability seems so bad and it’s so hard to buy

Why is this aggressive behavior ongoing?
Did someone kill your pet dog or something?

[ATNoName]

how about explain all of them :).

[Litten]

I’m not in the mood to make another wall post right now, you will have to ask again later when I feel up to it again.

[Litten]

have we played together kanave

you seem familiar

[Kanave]

@Sharklifter

(this is a joke plz dont take seriously)

conf bias but holyyyyyyyy this is defensive before the accusation even comes.

[Arctic]

i doubt it

sharklifter seemed annoyed that jarek is being townread in a way that i think is unlikely to come from partners

@Sharklifter

Also, can I ask how you think Jarek is good? my mans sussy to me

@Sharklifter

@Arctic

on top of that, generally new town players have some kind of really pure post or train of thought at some point (jarek has) but i can’t say you’ve done the same

question: where has he done that, two out of all people you are pushing me for this? I don’t really like that tbh, considering the fact I’ve posted a bunch of train of thought, nor do I understand what a ‘‘pure’’ post is

plus this just doesn’t look w/w

@Sharklifter

@Jarek

According to this big document I skim-read that makes him an evil whose scared of being wrong!!!

im scared of being wrong either way as good or evil

plus you were scared about being wrong before since you were reluctant to post your thoughts :D

[Kanave]

I think so, I played in teh painting mafia and the 17er with hatecon

[Litten]

hatecon?

[Arctic]

no you havent

[Kanave]

@Arctic

plus this just doesn’t look w/w

@Jarek

According to this big document I skim-read that makes him an evil whose scared of being wrong!!!

im scared of being wrong either way as good or evil

plus you were scared about being wrong before since you were reluctant to post your thoughts :D

Not sure I fully agree, given it has the whole “doesn’t feel like they’re accusing each other seriously” but the first 2 I can def see. Still want to vote shark though

[Agent47]

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