Don't Starve - Anonymous TOWN VICTORY!

[Wurt]

I assure you, many things

[WX-78]

WELL THEY’RE CURRENTLY TOP WAGON SO IF YOU COULD MAKE THAT A REASONABLY HIGH PRIORITY IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED

[Wurt]

[WX-78]

ANYWAYS I’LL GO BACK TO HOPING @WANDA EXISTS FOR REAL THIS TIME I GUESS

[Wickerbottom]

@WX-78, could you please reply to this post?

[WX-78]

I HAVE BEEN THE GUY PUSHING FOR WORTOX/WOODIE BEING POSSIBLY PARTNERED. I HAVE NOT ANSWERED THIS POST BECAUSE I ASSUME IT WILL BE ANSWERED AS YOU FINISH YOUR CATCHUP.

[Wickerbottom]

Ah, very well. In that case I shall continue reading the logs. I am currently around the 430th post, so I do apologize for the slow pace.

[WX-78]

YEAH NO RUSH

WELL OTHER THAN EOD LOL BUT LIKE I DON’T THINK YOUR ODDS OF DYING TODAY OR TONIGHT ARE VERY HIGH SO EVEN THEN

[WX-78]

FRANKLY THE GAME IS LARGE ENOUGH WHERE I’M SURPRISED YOU’RE EVEN CHOOSING TO READ EVERYTHING.

PROBABLY NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT APPROACH, ALTHOUGH IT IS THE MOST COMPLETE SO I DO RESPECT IT.

[Wickerbottom]

Yes, well… I figured I might as well try to breath some life into the thread. For some reason it has been eerily quiet for the majority of the day so far.

[Wickerbottom]

Considering it is less than five thousand posts in the span of three day phases, I find it to be rather manageable.

Though I do see a concerning downward trend in the amount of posts made per day phase… I wonder if this was also part of the mafia’s plans?

[WX-78]

IT IS INEVITABLE WHEN THE HIGHPOSTERS ARE EFFECTIVELY HIGHPOSTING THEIR WAY INTO BEING CLEARED. IF YOU DON’T HAVE A HIGHPOSTER IN THEIR RANKS, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO LET SUCH A HIGH PROPORTION OF THE GAME CONTENT COME FROM TOWN LONG-TERM. EVENTUALLY THEY’LL START BEING CORRECT, WHETHER BY VIRTUE OF ACTUALLY FINDING SCUM OR BY JUST AGREEING TO SHRUG LYNCH THE LOWPOSTERS, AND YOU’RE KINDA JUST COOKED.

[Wickerbottom]

I am currently around the 610th post, and so far these are my reads:

TOWN

Warly
Wortox

WX-78
Wurt

Webber
Wolfgang
Willow

NULL

Wigfrid
Wanda
Wormwood

MAFIA

Wolfgang took a jump from my top suspect to “somewhere nulltown” primarily because their explanation of why my reasoning was insane is very much valid.

Additionally, Wolfgang was actually the first player to point out that Woodie’s posts were suspicious. (The second and third one being Wendy and Wurt, whom both had instead townread Woodie for Woodie’s reads.)

I have found Wes’ post on how Wortox’s progression is extremely odd, and I agree with it. I don’t know what to make of it, but for now my stance on Wortox being town based on Woodie’s vote remain unchanged.

I have only caught up with a third of the entire story and half of D1. I will read further to learn why WX-78 believes Wortox/Woodie are W/W.

[WX-78]

SO LET’S TALK ABOUT WHY I THINK WILLOW IS SO TOWNY.

FIRST OFF, WE HAVE TO START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT HER MEANINGFUL-CONTENT-TO-POST-COUNT-RATIO IS FAR AND AWAY THE HIGHEST IN THE GAME. SHE HAS ALMOST NO FLUFF, AND DESPITE BASICALLY BARELY MAKING POSTMIN EACH PHASE (I WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED IF SHE TECHNICALLY MISSED IT ONCE) HER CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE BEEN LARGER THAN PEOPLE WITH TWO OR THREE TIMES HER POSTCOUNT.

WHILE HARDLY INFALIBLE, PEOPLE IN THIS POSITION TEND TO HAVE A MUCH HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF BEING TOWN THAN SCUM. THEY ARE NOT FLYING UNDER THE RADAR, NOR ARE THEY ATTEMPTING TO USE INTERACTIONS WITH OTHERS TO DRUM UP FREE CONTENT. IT’S VERY DIFFICULT FOR MOST SCUM PLAYERS TO CRAFT GENUINELY MEANINGFUL POSTS WITH SUCH CONSISTENCY WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO RELY ON LESS MEANINGFUL POSTS TO BRIDGE THE GAPS.

NOW, OF COURSE, THIS ALL ONLY HOLDS IF YOU AGREE WITH MY ASSESSMENT THAT HER POSTS ARE, IN FACT, MEANINGFUL. SINCE YOU SAY YOU DO NOT REMEMBER THEM, I ASSUME THIS IS NOT IMMEDIATELY TRUE FOR YOU. LET’S REVIEW HER ISO TOGETHER - THIS IS A GOOD WAY FOR ME TO RENEW MY READ AS WELL.

@Willow

Hello and good morning, everybody.

@Wortox

Hello everyone, this is my first ever post (Real)

VOTE: Wolfgang

Slot was the last one to fill up, nobody wanted to be a wolf. Easy

This post is slightly towny, as it is unashamed of looking awkward. My opinion on this may change later.

@Wormwood

It has just recently occurred to me that everyone’s name starts with W, I am not looking forward to attempting to remember whos who

This also appears to be a genuine in-the-moment comment.

@Wilson

Hey.
You know something funny? I’m really getting into this particular book about anti-gravity. It’s just impossible to put down.
Get it? You know, because you literally can’t put it down? Anti-gravity? Yeah.

And this post is just plain upsetting. Wilson is lockwolf.

@Wormwood

Did you just get in thread or did it take you 18 min to think this up lol

Another quick thought.

@Wendy

VOTE: WickerBottom

@ me D2

Usually I would say this is overly combative and trying too hard to seem casual, but given this is an anonymous game, wolves might not have the same desire to look “like their normal selves”, so it is towny in this context.

@Wickerbottom

Are you defending a traitor, you know harboring criminals is federal punishment.

@Wickerbottom

For calling someone crazy, that’s evil to you?

VOTE: Wendy

You are defending a evil here.

Town.

@Wortox

Geez book nerds like you aren’t any fun.
If only that book on anti-gravity helped lift you up and gave you a new fun perspective on things!

I am serious about disliking this slot. They are trying too hard to hang on to their opener as a running joke, making it feel like they are nervous in the thread.

@Wurt

Update I forgot
Read it over again and can’t see what I was seeing so idk

This is towny.

@Wes

gut says this is tmi

This is not. It took twelve minutes for Wes to respond.

@Wes

he needs to stop being a bottom i agree whol eheartedly 100% in fact u can be town ok now hatVOTE: VOTE: VOTE: [vote]Name[/vote]

I cannot even parse this.

@Wes

when is the game starting

I feel the same way.

@Woodie

wes is so weird…accusing everyone of something…bruhhh

Wolfy.

@Wes

can u stop liking my posts wendy

Towny.

All-in-all, there is not so much legible content here. I got very little from this read-through, so I am going to go back through the thread again.

One thing I do know: I do not presently believe Woodie to be actually new to forum mafia, as I do not know why somebody would pick an anonymous game as their first, and the way they make suspicions feels slightly off for a new player. I do not believe this necessarily corresponds to wolfing, though.

@Willow

My thoughts on each player who has posted, one at a time:

Wes: Extremely casual, if anybody has not yet noticed, in such an exaggerated manner that it stops reading town at all to me. Nullwolf.

Wormwood: Thinking fast on their feet and reacting to posts with thoughts easily. Lean town.

Wendy: Very abrasive in a way that one could simply avoid in an anonymous game. Lean town.

Wickerbottom: Transparently driven by opinions and not afraid to react to others. Townread.

Wilson: Appears to be putting on a character in a way that feels off to me, though this could just be the anonymous setting. Lean wolf.

Woodie: I hope they are not actually new. They are very brave if they are. Putting on a show of being new does not feel like a winning wolf strategy. Nulltown.

Wurt: Going back on a read is mildly towny. Not much else to talk about here. Lean town.

Webber: Thoughtful enough to warrant positive feelings. Nulltown.

Wortox: A casual enough first post. Nulltown.

@Willow

Oh, I have forgotten to place a vote. VOTE: Wilson.

WILLOW’S FIRST TWO POSTS CAME BEFORE MOST PLAYERS HAD GIVEN MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF ACTUAL, ALIGNMENT-RELEVANT THOUGHTS, YET SHE IMMEDIATELY LAUNCHES INTO A FLURRY OF HER OWN. THIS LINES UP PRETTY WELL WITH HER EXPRESSED DISTASTE FOR THE “SLOW” START TO THE GAME, WHICH IS REPEATED IN THE ENDING OF HER FOURTH POST:

@Willow

@Wes

useless quesiobt

If you would actually like to move the game forward, as you claim , you would know that we must endure some useless questioning to do so. At least this generates legible interaction.

ON THE WHOLE, I THINK THESE TWO POSTS SHOW WHAT TO ME APPEARS TO BE A GENUINE ATTEMPT TO TAKE STOCK OF THE GAME. HER TAKE ON WES IS ANTI-CONCENSUS IN A VERY BOLD WAY IF SHE’S A WOLF, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SHE RETAINS HER NULLWOLF READ ON WES THROUGH THE END OF THE DAY, SO IT IS NEITHER THE CASE THAT SHE IS ATTEMPTING TO APPEASE HIM NOR GENUINELY ATTACK HIS CREDIBILITY. THE REST OF HER READS ALL SEEM SENSIBLE AS WELL, WITH THE FACT THAT SHE MIXED UP WORTOX AND WILSON BEING SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS NULL AT BEST AND MAYBE EVEN PLUS TOWNPOINTS:

@Willow

@Webber

Willow, your opening stance on Wortox is inconsistent. Could you explain your thought process behind writing the second relevant paragraph when your final conclusion leaned towards the first statement?

I mistook the second post of Wortox’s for one of Wilson’s, since it referenced the same joke. I am having some trouble with all the new faces. With this new context, I wolfread both a little less, as it doesn’t appear that Wilson was as strongly clinging to the same opening joke.

@Willow

@Webber

Willow emphasised both instead of just Wilson, the slot she scumleaned. Unless this was intended as shorthand for “townreading Wortox more”, this feels irreverent.

I mistakenly claimed to wolfread one of Wortox’s posts, thinking it was Wilson’s, giving the impression that I wolfread Wortox themselves. Upon realizing it was not posted by Wilson, I stopped wolfreading the particular post of Wortox’s as much, as it did not have the context of leaning too hard on one’s opener.

CONSIDER - REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WILLOW IS TOWN OR MAFIA, IT IS QUITE LIKELY THAT SHE DID, IN FACT, MIX THE ORIGIN OF THESE POSTS UP IN HER CATCHUP. HER RESPONSE MAKES NO SENSE READ ANY OTHER WAY. WHAT IS TELLING, TO ME, THEN, IS THE FACT THAT HER READSLIST STILL MAKES COMPLETE AND TOTAL SENSE WITH THIS MIXUP IN MIND. HER WOLFLEAN ON WILSON REMAINS INFORMED BY THIS VIEW WHEN SHE HAS ISO’D EVERYONE AND MADE A READSLIST, WHILE HER READ ON WORTOX IS NULLTOWN, WHICH TO ME LOOKS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE HER READS ARE, IN FACT, BEING GENERATED BY SYNTHESIZING THE THREAD, RATHER THAN FALSIFYING JUSTIFICATIONS FOR CONVENIENT CONCLUSIONS. IN SHORT, HER READS LINE UP EXACTLY WITH HER STATED PROCESS FOR GENERATING THEM.

THIS MIXUP ASIDE, I THINK HER TREATMENT OF WOODIE LOOKS MAJORLY UNPARTNERED, TO BE QUITE HONEST.

@Willow

@Woodie

wes is so weird…accusing everyone of something…bruhhh

Wolfy.

@Willow

One thing I do know: I do not presently believe Woodie to be actually new to forum mafia, as I do not know why somebody would pick an anonymous game as their first, and the way they make suspicions feels slightly off for a new player. I do not believe this necessarily corresponds to wolfing, though.

@Willow

Woodie: I hope they are not actually new. They are very brave if they are. Putting on a show of being new does not feel like a winning wolf strategy. Nulltown.

@Willow

@Webber

Willow didn’t address Woodie’s entrance in her original catch-up, and her only comment on Woodie called a post suspicious. If Willow sorted out her original read on Woodie and decided to put it later, as she did with me, why say the original comment.

@Webber

The development for this read [on Wes] was undemonstrated in Willow’s catch-up, following the same trend as well.

I re-read through each player’s ISO individually after making my catch-up post, so my opinions changed somewhat with that context.

As I mentioned, Woodie seemed like they were not actually new to forum mafia, which was concerning to me (as it would mean they were lying), but I ultimately did not see the wolf motivation for acting in such a way. Lying seemed wolfy in isolation, when I was looking post-by-post, but taken as a whole, their ISO doesn’t indicate much of anything to me.

In a similar vein, Wes’s casual posts taken individually are towny to me, but as a composite whole, they are too exaggerated in their casualness to actually move the needle past null. They are laying it on too thick.

My reads changed because I looked at the thread differently. Even if this had not been the case, you must forgive me for failing to completely keep track of players in an anonymous game where everybody has a name starting with the same letter. I do not think that is wolf indicative.

I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE A WOLF ENTERED CALLING ONE OF THEIR TEAMMATES’ POSTS WOLFY, SAID THEY DON’T BELIEVE THEM TO BE NEW (CLEARLY, THEY ACTUALLY WERE - SCUM WOULD KNOW THIS), AND THEN 180’D THE READ INTO A NULLTOWN WITH ZERO PROGRESSION. WHEN CALLED OUT ON THIS LACK OF PROGRESSION, I FIND IT EVEN HARDER TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD JUSTIFY IT BY SAYING THAT THEY THOUGHT THEIR TEAMMATE WAS LYING AND JUST DECIDED THAT THEM LYING WAS NO LONGER WOLFY. AGAIN, CONSIDER THAT WOODIE’S TEAMMATES HERE KNOW HE WAS, IN FACT, NOT LYING. SURELY YOU COME UP WITH SOME OTHER REASON?

@Willow

@Wigfrid

I forgot to say that I agree Woodie’s latest posts seem bot generated and that’s not towny to me one bit. you can be nervous about being new at the game and the reads and still try

This entire attempt to frame Woodie’s posts as “bot-generated” is transparently ridiculous if thought about for even a second. A bot wouldn’t actually have the context to make reads that relate to the game, unless Woodie had fed the entire thread into it, which would take much more effort than just making up some reads.

@Woodie

• Wolfgang : Initially claims to be town but then corrects himself, which could be interpreted as a slip-up or an attempt to appear innocent. This inconsistency raises suspicion.
• WX-78 : Shows frustration and aggression, particularly towards me. This behavior could be interpreted as genuine frustration or a strategy to push suspicion onto me.
• Wes : Seems actively engaged in the game, making accusations and urging others to contribute. However, Wes also seems to be joking around a lot, which could either be genuine or a tactic to obfuscate their true intentions.

How would ChatGPT know that Wolfgang claimed to be town and corrected himself? How would it know that WX-78 showed signs of frustration? How would it know that Wes made accusations, but joked around a lot? Do you all think Woodie copy-pasted the entire thread into ChatGPT? It’s not easy to do on this platform.

I think at least one wolf has jumped on this line of questioning without thinking, or at least failed to resist it.

I ALSO THINK THIS APPROACH TO THE CHAT GPT TALK IS SUPER PURE. WHILE PLAYERS LIKE WORMWOOD MAY HAVE PUNCHED IT INTO AN AI DETECTOR TO USE IT TO DISCUSS WOODIE’S ALIGNMENT, WILLOW IMMEDIATELY JUMPS INTO ATTACK MODE, CALLING PEOPLE USING THIS LINE OF REASONING LIKELY WOLVES. THIS IS TRULY HARD TO SEE COMING FROM A TEAMMATE WHO, BY THIS POINT, KNOWS THAT WOODIE IS GOING TO BE DEADWEIGHT, EVEN IF THEY MAY NOT HAVE REALIZED THAT WOODIE HAD LIKELY USED A BOT TO HELP WRITE UP HIS POSTS AND HAD BASICALLY ADMITTED TO SUCH BY THIS POINT. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE SHE ALSO DOESN’T REALLY COMMENT ON WOODIE’S ALIGNMENT HERE AT ALL, AND WHEN SHE FINALLY DOES IT’S TO AGREE THAT HE COULD BE COACHED.

@Willow

I will agree that Woodie’s suspicions could be coached, and I would like to hear whether they have previous experience with social deduction games.

LASTLY FOR DAY 1, SHE POPPED IN ONE MINUTE BEFORE EOD TO DISPARAGE THE POSSIBILITY THAT WILSON WOULD FLIP WOLF:

@Willow

I also do not think Wes is obvious town. Some of their “casual” comments come across as awkward in tone. They are laying it on far too thick.

Wilson does not seem as though they will flip wolf.

@Willow

I am having trouble finding the resolve to swap my vote, though. This will happen again, and again, and again, no matter Wilson’s alignment, if they survive.

ACTUALLY WHAT WOLF DOES THIS LOL

LET ME REMIND YOU OF THE VOTECOUNT AT THE TIME SHE POPPED IN AND SAID WILSON SEEMS LIKE HE WON’T FLIP WOLF:

Votecount as of post #1121

Wilson (5): Willow, Webber, Warly, Wormwood, Wes
Woodie (4): Wurt, Wortox, Wilson, WX-78
Wortox (3): Wanda, Woodie, Wolfgang
Wolfgang (1): Wigfrid
Wurt (1): Wendy

Not Voting (1): Wickerbottom

IN ZERO WORLDS EVER DOES A LOWPOSTING SCUM POP IN ONE MINUTE OUT FROM EOD TO TRY AND SINK THEIR OWN BUDDY WHEN THEY THEMSELVES ARE ON THE MAIN TOWN COUNTERWAGON AND DO NOT INTEND TO SWAP. IT JUST DOES NOT HAPPEN. THIS THOUGHT NEVER CROSSES A WOLF’S MIND BECAUSE IT IS UTTERLY INSANE AND DERANGED BEHAVIOR. WOLVES IN THIS POSITION HAVE A MILLION THINGS ON THEIR MIND, BUT TRYING TO VERBALLY SINK THEIR TEAMMATE LAST SECOND WHILE NOT EVEN GETTING CRED FOR SWAPPING VOTES IS NOT ONE OF THEM.

FRANKLY I WOULD BE SHOCKED TO MY PROCESSING CORE IF WILLOW FLIPPED RED AFTER PULLING THIS MOVE FOR BASICALLY NO REASON, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEIR REASONING FOR HOLDING FIRM ON THE WILSON VOTE LINES UP SO WELL WITH MY OWN EXPERIENCE IN THIS GAME AND AS TOWN IN PAST GAMES.

I ALMOST DON’T EVEN WANT TO GO INTO DAY 2 AFTER THAT, BUT I’LL SEE IF ANYTHING ELSE JUMPS OUT AT ME I GUESS.

OH RIGHT SHE DID THE EXACT SAME THING DAY 2 LOL

@Willow

Dead air, dead villager.

Votecount as of post #1357

Warly (4): Wurt, Wolfgang, Willow, Webber
Woodie (3): Wortox, Wormwood, Warly
Wormwood (1): Wendy

Not Voting (6): Wilson, Wigfrid, WX-78, Wickerbottom, Woodie, Wanda

WARLY HAS NOT FLIPPED YET BUT I BELIEVE HIM TO BE TOWN. IF HE IS, THERE IS ONCE AGAIN NO SHOT THAT WILLOW COMES IN, SHIT-TALKS HER OWN VOTE ON A LEADING TOWN WAGON AND INCREASES THE ODDS OF THE WOLF COUNTERWAGON DYING, AND THEN DOESN’T ACTUALLY CHANGE HER VOTE TO GET ANY CRED FOR IT, CITING CONCENSUS:

@Willow

Woodie is not a terrible flip for the day. However, given how the day has gone in general, I am somewhat nervous about backing a consistent consensus wagon. It has felt as if the wolves are perfectly happy with how things are going.

IF WILLOW IS SCUM HERE WITH WOODIE, SHE HAS AN INSANE WISH TO SEE HIM DEAD, YET ZERO DESIRE TO EVER VOTE HIM. SHE PLACES TWO MORE VOTES BEFORE DAY 2 ENDED, NEITHER OF WHICH WAS EVER ON WOODIE.

SHE’S NOT DOING NOTHING ELSE DURING THIS TIME, EITHER - SHE HAS GOOD ANALYSIS OF WIGFRID (WITH A VERY NATURAL PIVOT TO HER READ), A READSLIST WITH WOODIE IN THE BOTTOM TIER (IN MY CURRENT WORLD, WITH WORMWOOD W, THIS LIST IS ACTUALLY INSANELY GOOD), SOME REALLY SOLID BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION WITH ME, CONTINUED INSISTENCE OF HER EARLYGAME DESIRE TO DRUM UP ACTIVITY (SHOWS A SOLID THROUGHLINE CONENCTING HER APPROACH ACROSS THE ENTIRE GAME), A SOMEWHAT-SELF-DAMNING-IF-SCUM POST CALLING OUT WES’S TOWNREADS AS A POSSIBLE WAY TO FIND WOLVES, DISCUSSING THE HYPOTHETICAL OPTICS OF BUSSING WOODIE (WHICH WOULD BE INSANELY SLICK TO DO WHILE ACTIVELY NOT BUSSING HIM AT ALL COSTS), AND ENDING THE DAY BY COMING AROUND TO A TOWNLEAN ON WARLY.

I DON’T THINK EITHER OF HER ACTUAL VOTES ONTO WORTOX OR WANDA ARE EXPRESSLY GOOD LOOKS, AND I DO THINK IT’S POSSIBLE TO ARGUE SCUM MOTIVE INTO THEM, BUT I THINK IT’S REALLY HARD TO SEE SCUM MOTIVE ACTUALLY EXISTING IN THE CONTEXT OF EVERYTHING ELSE SHE HAS SAID AND DONE.

SO YEAH, THAT’S WHY WILLOW IS TOWN HERE.

[Eddie]

@Wormwood has been replaced by a different player.

Do not discuss replacements.

[WX-78]

GOD FUCKING DAMN IT

[Wormwood]

hi guys

[WX-78]

DON’T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, BUT I AM EXTREMELY UPSET YOU ARE HERE.

[Wormwood]

what is the right way to take that

[WX-78]

TO NOT. IT’S NOT DIRECTED AT YOU AS A PERSON, JUST YOU AS A SLOT.