DW Invitational 3: Danganronpa: Memories of the Past: 8/14 Day 4 (Chapter 2)

[MerpyDerpy]

Yeah. Since the mafia was given fake claims (Ruby mentions it in her description), even if everyone claimed now, it would tell us exactly nothing. In fact, it would be way worse for us because mafia will be able to target someone with a strong ability. It’s just never good for us to all claim rn

[MerpyDerpy]

If you truly suspect Eliza, I recommend iso-ing (filtering) only their posts and seeing what connections you see. Typically, suspecting one person would clear another. Example: If you think Eliza is a wolf, Meme is probably not.

[MerpyDerpy]

@Bylamir

Guava has felt very aggresive, which is good!

This read for Arturo is pretty funny.

I do find it interesting that is no mention of Kana or Apo considering they’ve had quite a bit of presence in this game, but that’s fair I suppose. May be interesting to reference at a later date

[BeesWax]

But isnt there like 4 people all going Eliza?
Wouldnt that be a High class debate as well?

You are helpikg though, just my brain is fried from Sleep Deprivation and Combo from the Exam

[MerpyDerpy]

I think there is some value in hearing what they have to say. We’ll have to let it play out though

[MerpyDerpy]

Can you explain your top 4? (Like why they’re in the order they’re in?)

[MerpyDerpy]

“Going for” is a strong word. If you’re referring to me, she’s certainly a vote candidate, but I want to iso everyone first before I give my final thoughts for the day

I honestly don’t know who the 4 you’re referencing are tbh. Marl and Kork are currently voting Eliza, but I’m not dead set on that vote quite yet. Even if you include me in that total, there should be one more that you’re mentioning. Do you know who it is, Bee?

[MerpyDerpy]

Here’s my game plan:

1. Make a post quoting everyone’s read list (so they can be easily accessed for the day).
2. Make my own reads on people for today.

I’m going to start with the first one now

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

Girl…

[BeesWax]

Arty, Marl, Hazard, and in the Case hazard isnt Kork, Kork

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

Bee is wolf sorry for the rand
VOTE: Bee

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

Bee iso quotes that are suspicious

@BeesWax

I was told by a Miniature Flight Creature that when people try to vote for eaxh other and fight, theres a possible chance theyre both bad

But since like…all 3 POVs are all trying Eliza, should we go them? Like all speculation is pointing them

Okay this one isn’t as wolfy as I thought but like.
Idk it just strikes me as “I am trying to bullshit reasoning for whatever reason”

@BeesWax

So…when YOU out yourself, its perfectly correct and you’re safe
But when MEME ours themself (from what ive heard), theyre even more suspicious

(This one is gut wolfy; I can’t tell if it’s w/w or w/t tho, leaning w/w)

@BeesWax

They started with a False persona and then switched into a, by the standards of a skilled Forum Mafia Player (you, I think), a wild claim

[PrincessPeach]

??? I haven’t pushed that meme was suspicious, like, ever

[PrincessPeach]

I don’t know how to quote, and I’m sorry, but Bees push unto me and than immediately flipping to Eliza just seems really bad faith to me, especially when the reasoning is considered

The push unto me, in my opinion, doesn’t make sense at all. I claimed a character, nothing about my role, and Im being pushed hard by Bee for it. Something that Bee thinks Meme did as well.

I think the statement “so when you do it its fine, but when meme does it its suspicious” after only pushing me is extremely wolfy and contradictory with your own push and your own suspicious being narrowed in on only me.

And than instantly flipping unto jumping unto the biggest vote train, Eliza, when their reasoning for their push unto me was forced into questioning. And saying for the reason that its a strategy they heard but not really explaining why they believe Eliza being wolf to be true. Just wanting to jump unto the vote train well not expressing their own feelings about Elizas actual actions or messages.

Now I HATE reading people wolf for their pushes unto myself, because I feel like being pushed by someone can obviously make you biased against them, but I feel like for good reason, I consider Bee to absolutely not have good faith in their arguments.

VOTE: BeesWax

[Kork]

1. Peach
2. Marl
3. Kanna
4. Merpy

[MerpyDerpy]

Day 1 Read Lists - Apo and Arturo:
I should clarify this now. For those who do not have a specific read list, I will try and reference posts that could convey their thoughts on people. If these views are wrong or have changed, feel free to correct it. I’m just trying to compile as much info into one place as possible. (I was initially going to make one big post of all of these, but I think I’m just going to reply to this message with the rest of them. I separated these two to basically give people time to look over this as it’s a lot, and to give you an idea of how I’m organizing the reads lists. It also gives you time to make a reads list quickly before I iso your messages. Official read lists make this a lot easier for me, and it means I don’t have to interpret things.

Apo

Read List

Kork:

@Apocryphal

Kork continues to be a fucking meme

Would not be sad if he died

I believe Apo and Kork are not W/W. I don’t see any world where Apo throws out this comment to their wolf partner.

@Apocryphal

Kind of think Kork could be wolfing, but iirc he is literally just Always Like That

Which is a mood, but also absolutely cringe

@Apocryphal

This is why Kork is a wolf

@Apocryphal

I don’t like Kork’s posting, but that is entirely for “horrible misreading of me” purposes, and I am stifling those thoughts right now

Apo sounds conflicted on Kork’s placement. I’d imagine they’re either null or scum for them based on these messages. Leaning scum based on later messages.

Marl:

@Apocryphal

Also, Marl probably~ town, but I’m not exactly sold on it. I like his reaction to my (attempt) at voting for him

Kana:

@Apocryphal

Speaking of top posting though

Kanave v vibes

She’s here, vibing, productive, and generally advancing thread state

She flips mafia after being unceremoniously yeeted d3

Meme:

@Apocryphal

Something something newbie town and bad wolf typically get read exactly the same

But also

Memeking can definitely die, not really a big loss

@Apocryphal

I genuinely don’t know how one can play this much mafia and not know how newbie towns frequently get misread as wolves

@Apocryphal

Meme is like exactly rand

Which sucks because it’s hard to read someone who is exactly rand

These messages give me the impression that Apo isn’t picking sides. They never directly say if they town/wolf read Meme. Rather, they state that new players often get misread. This is worth noting. @Apocryphal , I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Arturo:

@Apocryphal

Guava/Eliza could be a difference check

Not sold on this idea though, it’s just something that coursed through my brain

@Apocryphal

Guava hard defending his wolf buddy /jk

@Apocryphal

Arty and Eliza both in scummy is interesting

Apo does not view Arturo/Eliza as W/W? Curious what their actual thoughts are then. @Apocryphal

@Apocryphal

The funny thing is that I currently find myself agreeing with Guava that Meme is probably town

But at the same time

I do kinds think that Guava could be woofin

Initially, I interpreted this as Apo town-reading Meme, but honestly, this feels like a pseudo town-read. Like they’re not fully investing in it because “Arturo could be a wolf”. Does that make sense?

Drinks:

@Apocryphal

I dont even remember why I voted drinks

But I stand by it regardless

@Apocryphal

Also

I found the reason why I voted Drinks

It’s not a good reason, but it is a funny reason (drinks made a bad post (shitpost) and so I had to vote)

Eliza:

@Apocryphal

Eliza for f3 let’s gooooooooo

This isn’t necessarily a read, but it does show that Apo has a potential W/W connnection with Eliza (not wanting them to be out of the game). I mention this because Eliza has already been on the block once, and Apo has not expressed this concern for anyone else in the game. May not be anything, but I found it worth noting.

@Apocryphal

Eliza shouldn’t really get killed today imo

This is 25% influenced by how frequently she gets killed

@Apocryphal

Fair but like

That’s such a… Retroactive kind of way of viewing

It’s bad if she’s, good if she’s a wolf

But does it actually give us anything more than another dead D1 Eliza?

@Apocryphal

My point in all of this is that I think focusing on Eliza is silly especially in the context of her constantly being a d1 yeet. I don’t see much value in going “Ah damn, Eliza is playing a mafia game? Time for some random person to decide that she is wolfy for whatever reason and then collect town over the course of the day to kill her.”

I think poking and prodding other people is more productive than wagoning Eliza for the umpteenth time and shrugging your way into an elimination because of nebulous (fmpov) reasons.

Hazard

@Apocryphal

@Hazardwaste You are a wolf, what do you say in your defense

@Apocryphal

Not good enough

(This is in response to Hazard’s defense).

Peach:

@Apocryphal

Peach is a slot that exists

Posts are weird~ but not really alignment indicative

The pain of reading a gimmick poster

@Apocryphal

Peach stonks rising

Bee:

@Apocryphal

Beeswax’s setup speculation sure was something to read, but likely not alignment indicative unless I wanna get deep into wifom

Sounds like a null read.

My Interpretation Of Their Read List:
Town:
Kana
Marl

Town Lean:
Meme
Eliza

Null:
Peach
Bee

Scum-Lean:
Hazard
Drinks

Scum:
Kork
Arturo

Arturo:

Read List

Meme:

@guavagudetama

I do agree with this… or I would if this wasn’t Meme’s first fm game
In my first fm game, and I’m sure yours too if this wasn’t your first social deduction game, I was fucking terrified of voting anyone or moving my vote I felt like I needed to be CERTAIN before I placed my vote
So I can see a t!Meme coming in and not wanting to place his vote just for a joke, because in dangan werewolf one townie off voting can lose the entire game

@guavagudetama

Like especially this post he said basically this exact thing when he joined tempo he was like “wow I gotta brush up on my ost or I could die first” like

@guavagudetama

I don’t think this is really accurate as a general statement
But I agree in this case because I’m pretty confident Meme would have said those things regardless of alignment, that’s just kinda his personality

@guavagudetama

Girl it means I think he’s town the fact that you actually agree with Eliza’s read is mind boggling

Eliza:

@guavagudetama

Anyway it’s simmering in my brain and I actually kinda hate that Meme read Eliza made that didn’t feel good faith at all

VOTE: Eliza

@guavagudetama

It also puts his wagon on the same footing as Drinks which is probably noteworthy
Trying to create a new wagon to rival that isn’t as easy as hopping on an existing one and since this is Meme’s first game he’s an easy pick
So a potential Eliza/Drinks pair there but I wouldn’t shoot Drinks just cuz Eliza flipped scum or anything

@guavagudetama

Yeah she dies a lot on day 1 that doesn’t mean she’s immune from being scum and her Meme read feels in bad faith with how much I know those two interact, she’s pushing him for things he would say regardless of alignment and I feel like she would know that

@guavagudetama

I think we’re a difference check too cuz I’m town and I think she’s scum

@guavagudetama

Like I say later you being killed a lot d1 does not exempt you from being scum

@guavagudetama

Just cuz you’re bad at town doesn’t mean you’re not a wolf like

@guavagudetama

@PrincessPeach

nor do I think her reasoning is good enough or well thought out enough for it to really be a wolf read trying to convince us

that… is a good point
UNVOTE

Merpy:

@guavagudetama

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This was in response to me agreeing with Eliza’s sus on Meme.

@guavagudetama

LMAO
VOTE: MerpyDerpy

@guavagudetama

Kanave: I’m voting Kork because I don’t care for his posts
Merpy: sus

source:

@Kanave

with pressure this minor i’d rather place it on someone who I’ve seen messages from and not cared for them

@MerpyDerpy

Eh I don’t like this justification. I’m sorry, but I’m putting you in my sus notebook

This is why I really want justification from Arturo as to why he jumped on this. The quotes I’m finding really paint the picture that he is scum-reading me. Again, this is fine, and I don’t intend to change his mind. However, I don’t find this reason to be strong enough for what I know about Arturo. Especially after I clarified things with Kana.

Drinks:

@guavagudetama

But what does Drinks give us?

Arturo expressing how they don’t want to see Drinks flip.

ElizaThePsycho (3): Marluxion, Kork, guavagudetama
Drinks (1): Kanave
MerpyDerpy (1): Memekingpizza

Not Voting (9): Bylamir, Hazardwaste, MerpyDerpy, Kiiruma, Drinks, PrincessPeach, BeesWax, ElizaThePsycho, Apocryphal

Apo:

@guavagudetama

Your voice is power

@guavagudetama

That’s why I said YOUR voice, your being Apo
I fully understand that if you just say nonsense the entire game your posts hold no weight but that’s not what Apo’s doing

Peach:

@guavagudetama

but yeah once Peach stops acting like Peach they’re oozing town so hard like it’s crazy that’s obvtown

Marl and Kana:

@guavagudetama

the only people doing anything
Me You Marl and Kana control like the entire thread rn

I assume these are townreads? This didn’t sound like a complaint.

My Interpretation Of Their Read List:
Town:
Apo
Marl / Kana
Peach

Town Lean:
Meme
Drinks

Null:
Kork (They joked about pushing Kork a lot but not sure if it was genuine or not).

Scum-Lean:
Eliza

Scum:
Merpy

[MerpyDerpy]

I see the order you have given. I am asking you why are they in that order. So, for example, why is Peach your #1 townie? Why are they above Kana or Marl? I am asking you what distinguishes the order of your townies. This info is useful to know

[Kork]

Oh, WHY are they in that order, my bad

[BeesWax]

I remember people saying Meme is Suspicious and him claiming out his role was him being desperate
wasnt saying you, I was saying just in general
then people thought I was the crazy one and said to ignore my messages
fair

[BeesWax]

big sad