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[Achromatic]

[Achromatic]

Anyway I am going to go play some Final Fantasy VIII, feel good about everything just notify me if you have questions.

[Kiiruma]

I don’t know! Maybe you’re town and CD is scum!

[guavagudetama]

@Kiiruma

Since guava’s already… not listening.

There’s a difference between “guava won’t listen” and “guava was not convinced by my argument”
Like, I read what you said, I’m not CD literally not reading Zone’s posts, I just am more convinced by what Achro said, mixed with the fact that I was already townreading Jaiden

But I’m going to keep reading the game — maybe I’ll change my mind I’m trying not to just set my opinion in stone (yes I understand that sounds stupid because my vote is currently placed) because I’m pretty sure I’m the only person willing to change their vote

Also because of the way votes are distributed even if I’m wrong about you you can still win
Because the votes should be

Achromatic being voted by Kiiruma, Zone, CD
Kiiruma being voted by guava, Icet, Achromatic

So it’s gonna randomise within the tie

@Achromatic

I voted IceT for his shitty leafia read (owned icet owned) and tried to get people on him, then its super nonsensical for it to be me/icet, right? Like, incredibly nonsensical.

I don’t think this is accurate
In fact I think Icet is your most likely scum partner
Partially because I don’t think that vote was really tied to alignment, I think you would have voted Icet for that regardless since I think it was obvious Jake was gonna die that day

But maybe I’m misremembering how quickly Jake’s wagon gained traction

@Achromatic

So then in supposed town kiiruma’s mind it must be CD. Except CD used his wish in a major pro town way and parity checked suspicious people which a wolf would literally never do, so it’s like obviously not CD because he could have wished for anything, anything at all that was pro wolf.

CD could have lied and from Kiiruma’s perspective the scumteam could be Jake/CD/guava but then you aren’t scum

[guavagudetama]

@guavagudetama

Partially because I don’t think that vote was really tied to alignment, I think you would have voted Icet for that regardless since I think it was obvious Jake was gonna die that day

But maybe I’m misremembering how quickly Jake’s wagon gained traction

Actually I don’t think Jake is even relevant to this argument because you could just vote Icet and then take it off later when you decide to push someone else and I don’t think anyone would really bat an eye

[Zone_Q11]

@guavagudetama

you just said the same thing again

Oh. Huh? Sorry, I have a bad memory.
What were we talking about again?

[Achromatic]

The point is they are claiming i was trying to save jake yesterday. I am just pointing out that their world view doesnt make sense with me/icet brcause all the saving i was doing went towards what theh believe is my buddy.

Doesnt add up tbh

[Zone_Q11]

@Achromatic

We can discuss votes all we want, but the fact that Kiiruma never even ATTEMPTED to solve Jake at all this game for days is imo outing given their world view.

Wasn’t Kiiruma the guy who started the wagon on Jake at D3?

[Achromatic]

Yes, with no solving done whatsoever.

[Zone_Q11]

@Achromatic

Town Kiiruma solves.

Ah. Meta knowledge.
…yeah, I don’t do that unless it’s specific people, and the only meta knowledge on Kiiruma I have (at the moment) are (1) the most recent game where he won F5 LYLO but lost F3 LYLO, and (2) the fact that I had a grudge on him from a DR Misc which got resolved in SFoL63.

[Zone_Q11]

@guavagudetama

I’ve already forgotten things that happened THIS game

Eyyyy
Ditto

[guavagudetama]

@Zone_Q11

Oh. Huh? Sorry, I have a bad memory.
What were we talking about again?

It’s fine

We were talking about the wish not being granted — you said you didn’t see why because you would have to convince everyone you’re not scum for the information to be effective
I said that tells you the scum team so of course it wasn’t granted
You argued that “well yeah but I have to convince everyone else that I’m NOT scum”

Which is like the same thing again LOL
But my point is that having a perfect mech solve is not fun for the scum team (and also I find it less fun — like, it’s a social game for a reason, I want there to have to be at least some social reading to reach the solution)

[Zone_Q11]

@Achromatic

Notice how he has done nothing to try to engage or solve Jake in over 1800 game posts (I am literally giving you every ctrl + f of jake so if I missed something let me know) but he has Jake in both scum worlds. His Jake read is stagnant and frozen because he KNOWS jake is a wolf. In fact, IN FACT, if he has jake as a viable wolf in both icet town and ict wolf worlds why wouldn’t he just be pushing jake here if he is town? He has done absolutely nothing to engage with Jake or question Jake but just throws him into both worlds where icet is v and icet is w. And oh look, in Ice t town worlds my slot is suddenly wolfy. Funny how that works

What people see: Text and reasoning.
What I (initially) see:

Notice how he has done nothing to try to engage or solve Jake in over 1800 game posts *processing* (I am literally giving you every ctrl + f of jake so if I missed something let me know) *processing* but he has Jake in both scum worlds. His Jake read is stagnant and frozen because he KNOWS jake is a wolf. *processing* In fact, IN FACT, if he has jake as a viable wolf in both icet town and ict wolf worlds why wouldn’t he just be pushing jake here if he is town? He has done absolutely nothing to engage with Jake or question Jake but just throws him into both worlds where icet is v and icet is w. And oh look, in Ice t town worlds my slot is suddenly wolfy. Funny how that works

I’m not implying anything by doing this. I just wanted to tell everyone what I saw the first time I read this paragraph.

Now, as for my thoughts (with implications): The part in brackets look pure, but the part where you repeated “in fact” in capital letters made me think of this:

[Zone_Q11]

@Achromatic

There’s no real heat here tbh. Jake’s play is also BATSHIT INSANE as scum which bewildered me but if the point was to make Kiiruma look good then it makes a lot of sense because before tis Kiiruma had barely said a drop to Jake this game.

Huh… Ya, I can dig this.
Issue is: I still want you dead though.
And this feeling precedes me wanting Kiiruma dead.
(Odd. I now want all three of you dead.)

[Zone_Q11]

@Achromatic

I love how Kiiruma is like incapable of taking into account that the person I voted yesterday trying to ‘save Jake’ is one of the people he thinks I am scum with.

His head is empty. He only knows who he has to push and he doesn’t want to limit himself to annoying the town he has to suspect with me so he is hedging for all his worth.

…but, I am also thinking the same thing? I am not thinking more than one step ahead. I see a hard defense on a confirmed scum; I attack it.

Well, I suppose I am used to being called empty-headed. (kekw. That’s why I have been making memes without any care in the world.)

[Zone_Q11]

@Achromatic

Ah so Zone is lock town for you, okay so let’s discuss the other two people since I was already working on this post.

Think of this from town Kiiruma’s mindset atm.

He is town, and he is convinced Achro is a wolf. Okay sure, that can be valid because Achro tried to save Jake. That’s like, obviously bad, right? So Achro is the scum gg.

But then the question pops into mind.

If Achro is a wolf trying to save jake, who is his scumbuddy?

I voted IceT for his shitty leafia read (owned icet owned) and tried to get people on him, then its super nonsensical for it to be me/icet, right? Like, incredibly nonsensical.

So then in supposed town kiiruma’s mind it must be CD. Except CD used his wish in a major pro town way and parity checked suspicious people which a wolf would literally never do, so it’s like obviously not CD because he could have wished for anything, anything at all that was pro wolf.

But that’s the word Kiiruma is in right now. I kind of fucked over this entire stream by not liking IceT’s vote on Leafia and deciding to stab him a bit for it.

Incredibly based of me really.

For the record, this has been my thought process for the most part, actually. Except CD is cleared all the way from D1 based on his behavior alone, and his actions on D3 solidifies it.

Also, I didn’t think far ahead, so the part about “not liking Icet’s vote on Leafia” is not even on my mind; I didn’t know this was a thing.

[Zone_Q11]

@guavagudetama

Achromatic being voted by Kiiruma, Zone, CD
Kiiruma being voted by guava, Icet, Achromatic

So it’s gonna randomise within the tie

I’d kill Kiiruma if we have a tie.

I townread him, but I ain’t letting this game end on chance; I’d rather throw it so it will end immediately instead.

[guavagudetama]

@Zone_Q11

I’d rather throw it so it will end immediately instead.

what

[guavagudetama]

I feel like there’s no way that comes from scum
fuck
fuck is it actually Achro

[Zone_Q11]

Zone 1: “Oh… Okay.”

Zone 2: “Well, I feel like I am half-braindead, so I actually much prefer just knowing the solution so I can be done with this four-man all-front-war.”
Zone 2: “Achro said something about him voting Icet at D3 invalidates him being paired with Icet, but the thing about 90 minutes before EOD3 is the fact that that vote was never going anywhere when there was a common enemy called Jake.”
Zone 2: “I’m pretty sure I made a post about this.”

Zone 3: “Ah, yes. Here we go.”

@Zone_Q11

Well to be fair the game has been running stagnant for a while. You say the arguments are weak because you know Jake better than we do, but pretty much every other argument for all other wagons prior to CD’s wish-holder claim is equally weak IMO.

So imagine “the mob” have found a collective enemy and you are defending said enemy. Uh, yeah. It’s not a surprise that you’d get associated with Jake and labelled as “a friend of everyone’s enemy”.