you keep latching onto this idea of CD/Achro being scum, but if CD is scum then Iām also scum, unless for some ungodly reason he wanted two towns to get cleared
which I guess? but why does he kill Leafia as opposed to just pushing the two of us
like, he obviously thought the two of us were scum, or wanted others to believe it, and it probably would have worked
it just doesnāt make sense
well, ig CD can be scum without me
that still doesnāt make sense though
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I canāt really see the evil team being Jake, you and CD just because of Jakeās interactions with yall.
Comparing them to Jakeās interaction with Jaidenā¦ itās worlds apart.
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Anyway guava, please listen to me here.
I know that youāre gonna die, I know that you (reasonably) suspect both myself and Achro.
Just look to who got Jake out yesterday and who tried to avoid it happening.
Look to Jaidenās and Jakeās slot and consider whether anything points away from them being teamed.
yes because I didnāt read yesterday and wasnāt there
yes because bussing does not exist
I feel like weāve already had this conversation
hhh Iāll ISO Jaiden for Jaiden/Jake interactions
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We have but also itās important to remember that it doesnāt really benefit the evil team there to bus.
Evil is 1 exe off winning.
Im biased due to rolecard but i think jake/jaiden both hopping on arctic to start the game is pretty unpairing from a neutral pov. Wolves dont tend to want to collect on people early.
Go jaiden go. Unpair yourself.
I will be asleep for most of the rest of the day. I would suggest you guys just go with what you think is best. If its me at least you will have a learning experience to grow from and to improve. Losing isnt a big deal as long as you did your best and can be proud of yourselves. Try to be kind to yourself and others. This is meant to be a game we play for fun and some people feel very pressed this game. Thats not how it should be.
That being said it was fun replacing in and i hope today isnt the end of my journey!
Later.
Thatās a lovely message.
Unfortunately you still need to die because you unpaired Icet/Kiiruma, and forced me to be in your POE.
Like, the first one I donāt really care about.
Itās the second one that warrants death.
Hmā¦ So basically:
Zone: Achro/Icet
Achro: Zone/Kiiruma
Icet: Achro/Zone
Kiiruma: Achro/Icet
I am not counting in Kiirumaās paranoia of CD, because there is no way Jakeās been bussing CD for three consecutive days in the name of bussing.
So anyhow, it seems that we have one common denominator. Folks, letās get this over with so we can enter the real endgame.
Achro, you did well, but uhā¦ Yeah, no. You aināt surviving today after what youāve done yesterday.
ā¦honest question though: I wonder whether Jaiden would have actually had better odds of surviving compared to you. Because I genuinely donāt remember what Jaiden has done.
ā¦well, I probably wouldāve pushed her because of her EOD1, but considering the wagons were V/V, I feel like itās less compelling than your EOD3. Had Jaiden remained, then I probably wouldāve pushed for her and Kiiruma.
ā¦wait, why am I not pushing for Kiiruma again? Gah. Darn this small memory capacity.
Meh. I guess it had something to do with the fact that Icet is pushing me instead of Achro/Kiiruma, because Iām pretty damn sure I had Icet/Kiiruma on the same level in my POE at some pointā
Oh. Right. Kiiruma was the one who started Jakeās wagon. Yeah, that sounds about as towny as it goes. I wonder what Icet has done in the meantime. Iām gonna check that out now.
Iām pushing Achro / Kiiruma
Oh wait, so Icetā¦
- ā¦knew about Mafia having a communal wish, which I didnāt know was a thing until today, when I re-read the OP.
- ā¦did start Jakeās wagon, but then proceeded to unvote for some reason.
Wait, so both of you knew about it?
> There was a small wagon on Leafia by Jake and me.
> There was a vanity wagon on Kiiruma by Guava.
> Kiiruma voted Jake.
> Icet wants either Jake or Kiiruma dead, and proceeded to vote Jake over Kiiruma, who already had a vote on him.
This makes little sense to me if Icet is scum.
ā¦okay, how did this turn into Achro/Zone/Jake? What made Kiiruma look better than me? 
This is weirdā¦ Achro will still die today, but who the last mafia is, is still confusing. I might need to re-eval Kiiruma sooner than expected.
Fortunately, Achro already made the arguments as to why Kiiruma is scummy. Unfortunately, a major portion of those arguments involve meta knowledge.
Wait, if it is Achro/Kiiruma, then Achroās basically scumreading Kiiruma and bringing up valid points to scumread him toāHeās basically anti-spewing, right?
Iām pushing achro and Kiiruma
Yes
Huhā¦ D5 will be wild.
Because even if I switch my final POE slot to Kiiruma, ultimately the deciding votes still goes to CD and Guava.
Wait, no. One of us will die, and I bet itās Guava.
Nobody cares about Guava (sorry Guava), but Iām fairly certain CD will still go after me.
If Guava lives and CD dies, then uhā¦ Iād argue that Achro/Kiiruma are playing very risky, because I couldāve sworn his POE is exactly Achro/Kiiruma. So basically, theyād be forcing what happened to Kiiruma in S-27 onto Guava, except without locked votes.
Eh. If it is CD by some stupid miracle (because this implies that Jake has been tunneling his scumbuddy for days) then he hypothetically could have done it to gain your trust.
In the hypothetical world where CD is scum, you arenāt immediately confirmed scum by association. Itās just that there would be less āmechanicalā reason for everyone to believe you are town. (Which means youād have to rely on good olā social reasoning.)
For a split second, I did think whether w!CD wouldāve wished something like ādeny the next townās wishā, but that simply doesnāt hold up because it took hours for my wish to be processed; if w!CD did wish for my wish to be denied, then it wouldāve been done immediately.
TL;DR youāre overthinking. CDās town, and thereby youāre town as well.