Face Your Fears (BOTC) - [2/9] - Evil Wins

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#1581

The setup we had worked real well cause Jarek and I could look obviously evil in our respective incorrect roles (me acting as a Demon, Jarek as a Minion) and then Kiiruma was able to correctly point out and case us both as evil.

Like if it’s just me and Jarek there, there’s always a chance people believe me when I say “oh Jarek is obviously the Demon” and vote Jarek, and Jarek can’t argue against that without breaking the act, because he’s supposed to be my Minion who wants to be seen as the Demon, and I can’t argue against that, because it’s my argument. We’d be completely stuck just trying to idly nudge people one way or the other.

But once you have a third person there in Kiiruma to push that agenda, you can bus each other all you want with the certainty that there’ll be a confident voice there pointing out every little subtle thing you do to try to convince people of the wrong world.

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#1582

It reminded me of the Hide and Seek BotF, where Marissa tried to do a similar thing being obvious evil pushing her Demon, but ended up kind of stuck and cornered because people (me) believed her. Kiiruma was evil there too, but didn’t as successfully act as the “voice of reason” in the way he did really well here. I was constantly worried about getting stuck in the Marissa-zone where people started reading me as Good and actually believing me when I pushed Jarek, but having a third party there to keep everything on track meant it worked out very well

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#1583

Good game, I had fun.

How did this happen?

#1584

Why’d Kiiruma and Jarek learn different people? Jarek was Drunked, I think?

#1585

This

#1586

Prisma redirected Pigeon from pandora to Jarek, meaning Jarek was Drunked

#1587

I knew it wouldn’t be far fetched to assume Jarek was drunk and given the first name that came to mind

#1588

I feel like this post-game is getting more activity than the main game lol
Starting team being May/Kiiruma and ending team being May/Jarek makes sense. But May and Jarek did a good job making it seem like the team was the other way around

#1589

Oh right, yeah. I knew that, Pigeon was cleared for that reason.
I would’ve cased the exact same world if we played again, I think. Because Kiiruma blind guessed Jarek, it was illogical to assume he could’ve been turned into the Demon; yet his information and conduct clearly outed his alignment anyhow, as did yours. I overlooked the bad faith level of your arguments, how you kept saying “I’ll write a case” and then didn’t, because I couldn’t see any other mechanical world.

Pigeon brought up the JM!Kiiruma world first, I just said it louder. Well done. As did Pandora for voting the correct Demon.
N5 didn’t fit into my world logic at all. I assumed the Demon would pay super close attention to claims if they were Jonah Magnus and therefore took that no kill into account to assume Pigeon was killed. I didn’t even contemplate sinking again was possible.

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#1590

I’m glad I was precisely correct on this little puzzle.

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#1591

Why would you choose to give w!Bionic End, though? Bionic was never going to whisper their neighbours, and that ability was just outing. What if Bionic chased that ability and lost?

#1592

May wasn’t Hannibal then.

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#1593

i expected them to whisper their neighbours.

#1594

I think it’s unfair to call what Kiiruma did a blind guess. Jarek is known to not lie in his 3f3s. He gave me a 3f3 of the Hunt/Corruption/Vast, which I gave to Kiiruma, and one of those was a bluff, one of those was in-play, so he had to be the Vast. It was fair-play collecting of a claim. There was very little luck involved

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#1595

I loved being the singular role that could be affected by this, by the way. I was chuckling to myself the whole time.

#1596

Bionic has a history of never whispering anybody early on, and that’s without a hidden alignment.

#1597

i didnt read all of their games

i expected it was a given

#1598

Players also have a history of not wanting to waste whispers on Travellers early, unless there’s something proportionally major to learn.

#1599

Plus, whispering the Distortion publicly is sorta just a Demon claim.

#1600

there was something proportionally major to learn