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[Phraze]

Hmm… Memes seem to be a big time poster. 1k posts total here.

[Neon]

@sillykitty2366

I genuinely just wanted to know why you thought that. It isn’t a pointless question and I don’t like you framing it as one.

Yanno me either… feels uhh what’s the word. Trying to discredit you for a genuine question.

@Jaiden

Miss Underwood, thank you very much.

As for what you call my “fake-name”, I’m not exactly sure what you mean. I am as honest as they come. As my father always said, “transparency can clear the darkest of hearts”. I have not lied once so far and you have dishonoured me by implying I have committed such a misdeed. I play by the books, for the books! That’s what my father taught me.

Between OKaz Jaiden and Memes this SoD is gonna give me an aneurysm. My brain hurts trying to read Jaiden…

@O.kazo

Your father should have taught you that women cannot be master detectives.
They can easily misleaded by the simplest details.

Lol…

@Silviu200530

@Neon
@sillykitty2366

(Votebot prompt)

Me and SK were the two who didn’t exist in the bot and were broken. This is a conspiracy against us and clear undeniable proof we are both town

[Memes]

Look at this!

That interaction looks like an attempt to distance. Where Magnus and Neon play good cop/bad cop where Magnus pockets Zorvo and looks good if Neon flips scum first or where Zorvo looks associated with Magnus if Magnus flips scum first! Lol

[Neon]

@Zorvo

I’ll sheep this.

VOTE: SillyKitty2366

@sillykitty2366

Zorvo/memes probably not w/w

I mostly agree…I don’t think Memes would allow Zorvo to make a W/W pairing this obvious… but I do think Zorvo would just kinda do it anyways especially given his reaction to obvious unpairings

@sillykitty2366

Fat agree

It’s trolling regardless but idk if it’s still actually scum or not

On reread I’m more convinced that SK is just always town and also more convinced that my take on OKaz was stupid… and that I should’ve seen the obvious within it

[Memes]

Town

Zorvo
Lemon
Silly
Kazo
Jarek

Scum

Magnus
Neon
Leafia

Now i need to go Zzzzzzz

[Neon]

@Zorvo

If I’m not mistaken your reasoning is “The Vote Post they made was overly done acting” or something right?

This is not why I was voting them…I wonder if Zorvo just misunderstood my vote or blatantly misrepresented it.

@Jarek

Because the way I see it there’s no reason not to have a wagon early on to pressure someone who is acting abnormal to start giving something of actual value to the town and the fact they are jumping to their defense on the grounds that they are a new player when the new player act was already dropped reads evil to me.

Jarek trending up on reread. This is good.

@Lemonfairy

Zorvo’s kind of towny?

Lemon has up to this point provided a lot of posts with very very little content.

@Magnus

I was really eager to rand as Mafia this game, I drafted a mission plan and everything tailored to this unique playerlist. All that time and effort, wasted!

Unless you just actually did rand wolf…

[Magnus]

I like Memes’ paranoia regarding my slot, especially since everyone else seemed to townread me, and just scumread Zorvo for following up instead. I’m never fond of people flip-flopping reads, but in this specific case I’ll let it slide by once.

@Neon

Unless you just actually did rand wolf…

And the first thing I did was tell everyone publicly I had a masterful and successful plan, thus raising paranoia, instead of just doing it.

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

yes, just one filler read
hardly a filler

Day 1000 of no content from lemon

@Memes

It is a pointless question to make and because it was very clear what the post was about? Like it can’t get any clearer unless you force yourself to not understand it (as in fake being confused).

@Memes

O. Kazo is obviously not scum. He is purposely doing what he is doing to draw attention on themselves, wolves don’t do that.

@Zorvo

Yeah even if your mafia we don’t vote that today.

This just makes no sense to me at all

@Zorvo

Mhm but the thing is memes posted this before they voted implying intent to vote there:

Hmm intensifies

@Zorvo

It’s really just NAI my man.

@Zorvo

If O.Kazo is town the odds are actually quite likely.
Why do you townread Jarek and Jaiden?

This is a horrendous misrepresentation of what I said even on reread. I said there are a number of different scenarios and not all of them involve wolves among the voters I never ever said or implied I TRd either of these slots

@Magnus

Jarek and Neon go from cross-voting to agreeing on an O.Kazo vote.
Jarek initiated both votes, so I’m keeping my eye on Neon.

Oh wait, Neon’s on my POE Pool from before!
VOTE: Neon

This is the start of about 5000 posts about me. Upon reread I think this is actually kind of awful. Me and Jareks votes on each other were always RVS and could hardly be interpreted as serious. A transition to a wagon together this early is probably never W/W I assure you that I’m never voting with a partner here. On reread I actually think Jarek had a better reason for the vote than me but our ideas mostly meshed.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

Yeah but math.

I can do math too 15 - 4 = 11

Math states that the likelihood of at least one wolf on the wagon here is relatively small.

I think there MIGHT have been a wolf here but I think the implication that there is ALWAYS a wolf here is not a mathmatical certainity

I like looking at things from EVERY angle.

Now don’t ask me why I TR everyone else on the wagon that’s not what I’m saying here or anywhere else.

@Magnus

This feels like potential theatre, with Jarek and Neon setting themselves up to look good once the other falls. It just feels stilted and awkward.

Self Meta bad…but this is not how I do theatre.

@Zorvo

I want to also add they are trying hard to deny Meme’s theory of there being a wolf in the O.Kazo voters.

This is a misrepresention. I had hardly even attempted to discredit the theory at all maybe one to three posts about it at this point and none of them were ever an attempt to discredit the theory they were always an attempt to point to alternate possibilities that town should probably entertain.

@Jarek

I doubt Zorvo And Okaso are alligned but I am beginning to suspect the loud troll behaviour was bait to see if an evil would jump on it early and perhaps fail to justify why exactly they were doing it in the first place. In which case, sorry I’m pointing it out but the traps probably already sprung anyway - anyone who was going to vote most likely already has.

This looks good especially since Jarek did exactly this and I don’t think scum points out something they did that looks scummy.

I wonder however if we can also read into the WKing of the slot along with the votes onto it.

@Zorvo

Hey Jarek, what’s your thoughts on Neon and their recent behaviour on both their O.Kazo treatment and the Meme’s theory of an O.Kazo voters having a wolf in it.

This is pinging me. This is exactly the wording and thing that Zorvo did in Valo mafia. Make a weak case and ask everyone for reads on it. Drown out any dissenting opinions and impose their narrative and silence any others with very loud misrepresentations

@Jarek

Though I suppose a reaction gif with absolutely no context or defense or really anything does come across as a bit weird, and in my opinion their reaction to my push did feel a bit…Cardboardey?

Weird take but I’m town reading it.

The reason I’m calling it weird is because why does my reaction to an obvious meme vote need to be anything other than a joke in return.

At this point Jarek had cited a desire to park a vote on a player at random and than voted me… it was never serious.

@Magnus

Would you be willing to jump ship and vote Neon with us, Jarek? There’s more reason to vote Neon than to vote O.Kazo, imo.

@Jarek

I’m willing to put pressure on to see what happens, Sure

VOTE: Neon

Intresting. What other reason was there to vote me at this stage? All I’d done at this point was vote in RVS. Push OKaz and say that more options than the world Memes lived in existed. And like also…I wasnt even really clogging the thread yet.

[Magnus]

@Neon

All I’d done at this point was vote in RVS.

This was exactly why I initially voted you, and why I voted Lemon first.
I don’t want to vote LHF on the first day, nor anyone who has already proven to be useful, and furthermore I removed any players I wanted alive from the pool.
I didn’t know Lemon, but they had the highest number of posts at the time, containing next to nothing, so I voted them. Then I moved from the PR claim onto you, mainly because you hadn’t done anything substantial.

[Magnus]

I think a lot of players missed something I hinted earlier, but I’m certainly not going to specify what I’m talking about. It’ll make sense eventually.

[O.kazo]

No.
I refuse to believe that 4 votes piling on me was still RVS.

[Magnus]

Would you say your wagon was scumled or an honest mistake on town’s part?

[Neon]

@Atlas

i’ve seen only a few points to this effect
would you care to elaborate?
i think the jarek argument was largely nai

I missed this first time.

@Magnus

Solved half the game by recess, lesgo.

@Atlas

this is actually noteably very unlike seth
he’s usually extremely headstrong

he said earlier he’s doing it to improve his towngames but im not too sure about it

Missed this on first read too… was this ever addressed?

Atlas trending up.

@Jarek

I am being 100 percent serious take it or leave it

I missed this too. I was implying that as a possibility among many but this was never even remotely the main intent of anything I said.

@Lemonfairy

lost my place
I’ll just forget about backreading

Day 3000 of lots of posts and little content

@Atlas

killing town tends to be a bad thing
also you say you’re ok with it but you’re constantly pushing against it

I agree. At this point I was being dumb. But also people were saying that killing me regardless of my flip was good. What do you think of that?

[Magnus]

@Neon

people were saying that killing me regardless of my flip was good

Which people were saying that? I’ll kill them for ya.

[Neon]

@sillykitty2366

I actually like neon tbh

On re read I will really like this. I missed that Atlas had kinda pushed back on my wagon earlier than this I thought SK was the first but I’m still pretty heavily on this not being scum motivated here.

@Memes

Huh? You think town is gonna claim PR within the first few hours of the day after a little bit of pressure?

They claimed that to try to get us to back off.

I bet money they are not a PR and the claim is not towny because they were not at risk of getting chopped, it is purely a defensive maneuver.

On reread Memes and Zorvo feel more lightly aligned than I originally thought. Outside of one post that felt unpaired there is a lot of small distancing without much movement towards a lower read or even a vote.

Considering how aggro Zorvo usually is and how Memes generally votes quick on anything he deems suspicious moving his vote around like a hot potato I’m noting this as I continue reading.

I have a theory but I want to get deeper into my reread before getting in to it.

@sillykitty2366

I don’t get what you mean from this tbh

@sillykitty2366

This could mean something tbh, although I still don’t think that wolfreading this guy is inherently wolf ai

Still towny. Entertaining both positions on me. Looking into alternate possibilities outside their read.

Zorvo is misrepresenting me at this point I don’t think SK realizes that.

There is a world where I’m just bad at saying what I mean… actually that is reality my thoughts never translate well when I try to type them out. Maybe Zorvo and SK both didn’t get my intent…

I should entertain that idea a bit more

[Magnus]

Yep, Neon’s definitely town.

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

how is it defensive if I wasn’t at risk of getting chopped?

It’s early nobody is at very high risk of a chop… but you were getting heat and off you are Town PR it was just the wrong play

Up to this point there’s still almost nothing generated here

@Leafia

That kind of conflict can actually be good for the town.

The conflict of town not listening to town…

Reread is making me think I just really suck at saying what I mean

@sillykitty2366

You make reads that confuse me nya

Keep doing it, I’ll eventually understand

@sillykitty2366

The audacity in this response is villagery imo

@sillykitty2366

Idk how to feel about the sitting

At the same time I think it’s villagery and I’m just feeling bad bc I hate when people give up

…cray cray

At this point I’m pretty close to actually just locking this slot in as town. None of this feels like an agenda unless I’m missing something.

[Neon]

@sillykitty2366

I don’t think this is an unreasonable thing to scumread someone for. Especially considering the fact that pretending to be a new player is definitely something an alting player can do.

Nobody ever addressed this afaik. Its intresting that the push on me was so aggressive but SK said something similar and nobody ever even acknowledged it

@Zorvo

“Beneficial” why use this word again in this context?

This feels like a very arbitrary thing to pick on and scum read.

The quote I said was essentially intended to read “ignoring any other view but the one you are pushing does not benefit town”

@Zorvo

“Alternatives” no, that was not what you were doing.

My wording from memory was along the lines of “many possibilities other than this exist”

How is that not providing alternatives?

@Zorvo

You were trying to call the theory memes made “completely random chance”

This is not something I ever said. Not even close to something I ever said

@sillykitty2366

Anyway neons emotions actually remind me of the last town game they’ve had in uhh

Whatever it was, regardless I think they’re villagery. Especially considering the lack of appealing they’re doing

On first read this confused me. With added context of this being an alt I must say with the few people in this game I played with its kind of weird that SK is the only one who remembers how I played in Valo Wolf.

@Memes

Your tone in this game is different than in Valorant and games at the syndicate, i like it! But it scares me

Hmmmmmmmm intensifies

[Phraze]

VOTE: Neon