GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[May]

I re-evaluated and Molly’s town, buddy. Stated it multiple times. “Re-evaluate” doesn’t mean “wolfread” or “get more wrong”. Here are some of the times I talked about Molly today.

@May

Molly’s attitudes toward my Lemon/Vulgard world don’t reflect how I think a wolf would approach it at all. They sound exactly like a villager who’s genuinely convinced the townie being voted is a wolf. She had suspected you in earlier days and could have easily pushed me toward it in any number of subtle ways, but she didn’t.

@May

Thanks to a combination of Brad’s behavior yesterday and those vote counts, Molly/Vulgard is pretty discounted as a possibility in my mind? And Vulgard calling out Molly’s “perfect reads”, and so on. I’m pretty confident in concluding that, as I said earlier, that would be fucked. I suppose it’s time to deep dive into each other possibility, then.

As for how my mind changed on you, my understanding of the game on previous days necessitated a wolf who was active in thread and confidence in their own ability. I can’t fully explain how I got to that conclusion, but what I saw around pointed to that. At first, I thought that wolf was Marl, and then I thought it was KingTroll, and now I understand that it’s you. That’s why I didn’t previously suspect you.

Also, having a lot of focus - and I mean a lot of focus, some extent can come from town but not as much as Vulgard is displaying it - on who’s townreading you is a wolftell. You kept me alive because you knew I was wrong. You kept me alive expecting me to push free misvotes for you, because I wasn’t paying attention to your slot before D5 and Brad’s slot before today, and if I ever hit upon the truth. Now you’re mad that I’ve figured it out, and you’re trying to go into thread and get everyone else to wolfread me for it.

I heard the exact same arguments from Leafia in Flicker - I townread her, suddenly changed my mind, and her immediate reaction was to point this out in thread, cite every little place I noted where I read her and her buddies as town, and tried to point it out as wolfy inconsistency. It’s a tell! You’re doing it!

Also, why are you trying to get me to wolfread Molly in the same breath you’re saying I have a red role PM? You’re literally spewing me town as we speak, talking about how I’m using methods that don’t work, seconds before you say you’re sure you’re a wolf. This is ridiculous, honestly, and I don’t know whether I even need to argue against it because Lemon and YBW aren’t in thread, but good god you’re blatant. You’re not going to get the best of both worlds here! Stop trying to manipulate me into changing my mind! It’s not gonna work!

I’m rude now

[May]

@Vulgard

@Vulgard

You have been wrong the entire game with these alignreads and you’re in MYLO, the first thing on my mind would be to stop using that approach because it’s not working in this game

I don’t care that’s how you normally solve the game, it’s not working, you haven’t solved shit, that’s the point where you change your approach and stop doing what you’ve been doing until that point because it hasn’t worked
I’m not going to make you admit you have a red role PM but this seriously makes no sense from a town perspective

If you’re not reading my textwall just know that this post essentially never comes from town, he’s critiquing my approach as town and calling my role PM red simultaneously. He both wants to vote me & wants me to doubt myself and move onto Molly rather than his partner

[YoubutWorse]

May, im sure youve done it before, but can you explain your read on okazo and why it was that way D1?

[YoubutWorse]

May do you think theres any chance of a brad/molly team?

[Vulgard]

I’m not gonna lie I had a moment of doubt myself but they’re defending Molly for some reason

May where did I cite that you read me as town, if anything I kept bringing up the fact you were wolf reading me which is different

@May

@Vulgard

I don’t care that’s how you normally solve the game, it’s not working , you haven’t solved shit, that’s the point where you change your approach and stop doing what you’ve been doing until that point because it hasn’t worked

I’m not going to make you admit you have a red role PM but this seriously makes no sense from a town perspective

If you’re not reading my textwall just know that this post essentially never comes from town, he’s critiquing my approach as town and calling my role PM red simultaneously

No, that’s not what I’m saying and the fact you latched onto this so hard is pretty telling
What I was actually saying is that you’re never going to admit you’re a wolf, but your actions make no sense from a town perspective which makes you a wolf
So basically I’m just reiterating that you’re mafia

[YoubutWorse]

@Vulgard

I’m not gonna lie I had a moment of doubt myself but they’re defending Molly for some reason

It doesnt seem like they’re defending molly, more like they’re defending their read of molly

@Lemonfairy please show up youre the only person i trust

[Vulgard]

Look I’m considering that too but May is just
Pushing me/Brad and townreading Molly when I think it’s the other way around
I even brought this up before, I could very well be wrong on Brad but May has not once even tried to consider that I might be town and we could both be wrong and it could be one but not the other

@YoubutWorse

@Lemonfairy please show up youre the only person i trust

She should be she’s the other clear

[Vulgard]

Actually I think it’s best if I give both May and Molly space because it’s just wasting time
@BradLand you start posting more too

[May]

@YoubutWorse

May, im sure youve done it before, but can you explain your read on okazo and why it was that way D1?

My read on O kazo was just an overcompensation to MLing him in Flicker. He was super super scummy that game and flipped doctor. That, combined with the fact that the vote on him was mostly unopposed and uninformative, made me not wolfread him.

@YoubutWorse

May do you think theres any chance of a brad/molly team?

Brad/Molly don’t kill so many people in the PoE, Brad/Molly means Marl wagon was pure until that last second hammer, that the Eliza wagon was pure, Brad/Molly means the Magnus/May worlds were primarily pushed by two townies; it’s like, possible, but it’s nowhere near probable, IMO, and so I’m willing to discount it for now.

[mollylikesorigami]

okay, i’m not gonna go through vul’s entire iso to see if i can unalign him from brad, but

1. i don’t think may needs to go this hard if she’s w/w with brad. everyone’s already saying i’m aligned with her. she doesn’t need to save herself.

2. may’s last several posts have been extremely towny like holy shit. like, especially #4590. it’s all really sincere, it’s like she’s seeing a ton of unique lines that make her solve come together too perfectly for her to believe anything else. really, really impressive stuff if it’s a fake worldview. also lines like “i’m gonna stop trying to convince people who have tmi on me” are just really genuine.

3. vul’s starting to get really gratingly repetitive and obtuse, he keeps harping on obscure holes in may’s progression that are often just him ignoring things may’s said, and often just things where may just hasn’t fully explained yet, and he turns those into a wolf read instead of just… asking for more explanation. may keeps swatting down individual points from vul, but even though he concedes the points, his certainty doesn’t change at all.

fml i still townread vul pretty hard for his d1-5 but i might be getting sucked into may’s world now

[Vulgard]

I think what I’m going to do is this

UNVOTE

And revote at EoD

[YoubutWorse]

one of you have to be wolf
why are you all so goddamn towny

[May]

@Vulgard

Look I’m considering that too but May is just
Pushing me/Brad and townreading Molly when I think it’s the other way around
I even brought this up before, I could very well be wrong on Brad but May has not once even tried to consider that I might be town and we could both be wrong and it could be one but not the other

Well, looks like someone read the posts where I declared myself very susceptible to analysis paralysis (or just saw how I treated Magnus) and is trying to induce that in me to duck out of being pushed.

[Vulgard]

@mollylikesorigami

vul’s starting to get really gratingly repetitive and obtuse, he keeps harping on obscure holes in may’s progression that are often just him ignoring things may’s said, and often just things where may just hasn’t fully explained yet, and he turns those into a wolf read instead of just… asking for more explanation. may keeps swatting down individual points from vul, but even though he concedes the points, his certainty doesn’t change at all.

You know reading this I actually agree I mishandled May but since it’s you saying this then… if May’s town you’re a wolf
And why would you be doing this if you’re a wolf

[YoubutWorse]

LEMON LIKED MY PSOT THANK FUCKING GOD YOURE HERE
HELP ME

[Vulgard]

@May

Well, looks like someone read the posts where I declared myself very susceptible to analysis paralysis (or just saw how I treated Magnus) and is trying to induce that in me to duck out of being pushed.

You’re severely overestimating my knowledge of your psychology
In fact if you’re town then this has all been the result of a colossal misunderstanding and I should’ve just kept my reads from day 1
Then again I had literally every player here in my townreads on day 1 (except Lemon but she’s a clear) so that doesn’t really work

Yeah I definitely need to withdraw for a bit be back in like 20 minutes to answer questions because the postcap is getting lifted

[Lemonfairy]

I was skimming through May’s ISO in Flicker (specifically the latter part)

and idk… I think we can kill them

[May]

Rude

[mollylikesorigami]

VOTE: BradLand

i did an extra check of brad’s posts today, since people were saying he redeemed himself while i was asleep

i don’t think he redeemed himself while i was asleep

[YoubutWorse]

they were town in that right? im currently skimming through vul and brad’s ISO in that one game vul linked