GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[KingTroll]

VOTE: Marl

finally a good reason to feel confident in a marl vote

[mollylikesorigami]

okay eliza was relatively quick to iso

???

her posts seem fine at worst, and there are moments of towniness coming through for me

today’s wagons are sending me for a spin lol

[Host_Account_1]

hi apologies for the ping but apparently the vote thing is actually case sensitive and thats dumb ok bye

Massping

@BradLand
@ElizaThePsycho
@KingTroll
@Lemonfairy
@lol
@Magnus
@Marluxion
@May
@mollylikesorigami
@Illwei
@Vulgard
@YoubutWorse
@Zorvo

[KingTroll]

if marl flips red I will reconsider my original marl/molly scumread. however if marl flips green I’ll be locktowning Molly for the rest of the game

[YoubutWorse]

called it

[Host_Account_1]

Marluxion (4): ElizaThePsycho, Lemonfairy, BradLand, KingTroll
ElizaThePsycho (3): YoubutWorse, Vulgard, Marluxion
Illwei (2): Magnus, lol
Zorvo (1): May
Lemonfairy (1): mollylikesorigami
lol (1): Zorvo

Not Voting (1): Illwei

Day ends 2022-09-25T22:00:00Z

[Illwei]

VOTE: Marluxion

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

if marl flips green i’m screwed forever

[May]

@Zorvo

I understand you want a laugh but don’t try and vote me over as a flash wagon.
Maybe I’m overreacting and it wasn’t so serious but you just never flash wagon someone especially if you town read them.

Also lol knows better more then you do actually.

He was in a game, same one where Marluxion hammered me and complained it was a bad idea and how I was obvious town.

VOTE: Lol

You always flashwagon people cause it’s funny and also super super informative for forcing wolves to react to something. So epic. So cool

Anyway I got bored of reading halfway through D1 but that’s cool and based. From what I saw, a Marl/O kazo team looks unaligned with Vulgard, Zorvo and Silviu, and to a lesser extent lol and Magnus. They’d be possibly aligned with Brad, Molly, and to a lesser extent Eliza, depending on how Marl was playing the game. I independently townread KingTroll, Lemon, and to a lesser extent YBW.

Marl and Brad appeared to have a bit of an… undue focus on each other? Brad’s early TR of Marl, which was tossed in with Zorvo and I (May addicted to rule of 3 moments), Marl mentioning “not caring for” Brad or YBW, calling out that TR despite it being fairly weak, how they both treated the Silviu wagon, etc. There’s parallels I can see.

Molly and Marl as a scumteam have been extensively explained by Lemon, a read that I may or may not have undue trust in because it parallels the way I typically find and present reads. Lemon’s towny anyway so it can’t be that harmful to be biased, right? I see the potential connection on my own anyway.

In a town Marl world, I’d look at Molly and Brad, maybe Zorvo and Brad?, I saw a potential connection between Silviu('s slot) and Eliza, it’s a bit all over the place at the moment, largely, I think, because I haven’t super closely looked at the formation of Marl’s wagon, which is where most of the information on his flip comes from. I’m going to go try to do that, just want to get this post out within a reasonable amount of time so you all have time to See and Acknowledge it before EoD.

[mollylikesorigami]

i still think marl is town to the point that i’m not sure i’m talking about the same person as everyone else

i don’t know what else i can say that i haven’t already about him

[KingTroll]

I think vulgard is confirmed town if marl flips red btw

[KingTroll]

like not “heavy town read” I mean full locktown

[BradLand]

VOTE: Unvote

[May]

VOTE: Marl

[mollylikesorigami]

i feel little to nothing about illwei’s posts

vul’s earlier point about kazo/silviu is a thing. when i look at those kazo posts, i logically can’t really say “this is why kazo wouldn’t say this about a partner” in any way, i just end up at “why wouldn’t he, doesn’t need to be a reason”. still feels not w/w.

illwei wouldn’t be the spiciest vote but i might just to save eliza marl. at least if illwei’s a wolf i was an absolute god d1.

[KingTroll]

that’s fair

[BradLand]

@mollylikesorigami

at least if illwei’s a wolf i was an absolute god d1.

If Illwei slot is wolf then I’d low key be kind of annoyed.

[Illwei]

for why

[Lemonfairy]

probably not a great towncase but I still think Eliza is just town

Eliza ISO towncase sort of

@ElizaThePsycho

I think they didn’t realize it was a joke as either alignment
But feeling condemned by it is more scummy because mafia care more about their appearance

diving faster into reads than in Silent Hill

@ElizaThePsycho

seth- being seth- will likely say one thing and then say another later without any progression
at least that’s how it seems to play out most of the time
if im being honest i have no idea what the correct method to reading him is
i know that some people have figured it out but
traditional reading methods do not work

meta comment is fair

@ElizaThePsycho

magnus & marl are wolves
VOTE: Magnus

dropping scumreads and a vote

@ElizaThePsycho

It was some certain posts that struck me as wolfy
But I neglected to quote them so brb doing that

@ElizaThePsycho

Simultaneously wolfy & townie mindset
Townie: Waiting to post more so they can see if their read is good or not
Wolfy: I was gonna say that it’s wolfy cuz wolves are concerned with appearance but that’s stupid here. But it is also wolfy because he could be waiting for Silviu to post more so that he can
Okay it’s just mildly townie mindset

yeah, I don’t think mafia would backpedal after quoting like this?
it kind of shows that it’s the posts that changed Eliza’s mind rather than Eliza changing their mind and trying to fit the posts to it

@ElizaThePsycho

By this I mean wow my wolfreads were mostly stupid
Still think magnus wolf tho

stays with Magnus w

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: BradLand

votes Brad b/c of a post about a joke (can’t remember lol)

@ElizaThePsycho

yeah i was gonna say this stuff tbh
had some stuff prepared regarding marl’s posts about potentially dying
erased it cuz i thought it was stupid for a bit
evidently this means it isn’t stupid
i am now reconsidering if that townlean earlier was justified

same thought with Vul
I thought the same while reading Vul’s post on Marl too (I didn’t really notice it the first time)

@ElizaThePsycho

and i guess there was a thing about min not being obvtown but i forgot to quote it so

this stuck out to me too

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Marluxion

vote Marl

@ElizaThePsycho

I think that the people calling you wolf are stupid

^to Vulgard
I wouldn’t go that far but yes, Vulgard had been obv town for a while at that time

@ElizaThePsycho

Silviu wagon is kinda ??? But I guess I can understand it from the “providing no actual content” pov

this is fine

@ElizaThePsycho

Update after a light skim of O.kazo ISO they are frozen wolf xD
VOTE: O.kazo

voting O.kazo after ISOing

@ElizaThePsycho

lol is spewed town

@ElizaThePsycho

I think this post spews lol town

I thought the same

@ElizaThePsycho

This post is 90% anti-spew

mindmeld again

@ElizaThePsycho

This isn’t the way a partner interacts tbh
Not rock solid bit

yes

@ElizaThePsycho

Hot take
Marl’s “min is obvtown” comes from the PR hunt

I also had a thought like this

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Marluxion

votes Marl

@ElizaThePsycho

…i literally just said i think o.kazo lightly spews lol town
marl is totally wolf tho

I think this was just like me when I wasn’t outing my reasons and therefore no one took it seriously

@ElizaThePsycho

i don’t think a wolf treats their partner this… agressively ? it doesn’t look like theatre, since its something meaningless that lol doesn’t even give a meaningful reply to
if it was intended as theatre then lol would’ve given a reply other than “”
and as mentioned above i don’t think a wolf treats their partner this aggressive
“this is a blatant information” and “fine” read to me like “I’m legitimately annoyed with this player” which I don’t think a wolf would express on something this simple, not against a partner and not in the main thread
(getting annoyed over something as simple as this is but still)
i suppose o.kazo could’ve intended it as theatre and simply not communicated this (it feels incredibly in-character), so its a light spew, but still

this is fine

@ElizaThePsycho

in terms of other o.kazo spew
these posts mark the transition into anti-spew imo
as in, both of them are anti-spew and so everything that follows likely is

this is good

@ElizaThePsycho

honestly i think its plausible that the wagons were w/w
i also think marl is scum
and there was another guy i thought could be scum but i forgot who
uhhh
lemme try to recall
that’d be my poe tho

I kind of buy that Eliza forgot who the other person was
think it’s more likely to do as town than scum

@ElizaThePsycho

yeah i don’t really remember who it was
i wanted to say lemonfairy after looking at the playerlist but im 90% sure that’s just me internalizing other people’s reads

scum has no reason to be unsure about whether or not it was me and not push me here

@ElizaThePsycho

yeah i think we should kill marl today

checks out

@ElizaThePsycho

i DARE the mafia team to jump on marl and hammer him

ok post

@ElizaThePsycho

hey guys i suddenly remembered why i wolfread marl
thanks lemon for liking this one partciular post

this can’t be fake
scum would not fake being reminded about why they scumread someone b/c of a like
and also, since wolves’ reads are fake, they would take more care in remembering who they scumread

@ElizaThePsycho

its this one

the post I liked

@ElizaThePsycho

marl still wolf tho thanks for the vote

energy on marl vote

@ElizaThePsycho

(at this point my reasons for thinking marl wolf have fallen apart and im really only doing it because i don’t know who else outside of like
idk
magnus?)

uncertainty
it’s fine

[May]

Yeah, I don’t think I independently scumread Eliza… I have my associative reads involving her, but the fact that they don’t stand alone should probably make me value them less than I do.