GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[Vulgard]

@Magnus

Vulgard was really critical entering Kaguya-sama, questioning people about everything and writing really long posts

That’s… basically the same thing I’ve done here? A crucial difference is that there isn’t much I can talk about compared to there. A lot of people are still in RVS and the only read that was given except for mine (Brad’s) turned out to be a meme according to him. Marl has two wolfreads but he isn’t outing them.

Why are you analyzing my slot from the POV of who I’m paired/unpaired with? You’re preflipping me mafia for no reason and I don’t recall you doing that to other people before, including in the last game we played together.

@Magnus

Unpaired with YBW, as wolf trying to microread something as Town because… it’s handwritten? No, this reasoning doesn’t hold. I disagreed with Vulgard’s interpretation earlier (saying it’s nullscum more than anything), and Zorvo disagreed as well, saying it’s NAI. There may or may not have been others, this is a speed ISO.

I think bothering to write this type of opening post by hand is the towny kind of effort, because most wolves wouldn’t feel the need to do that. I knew I’d get pushback on this read when I was making it, but I don’t see why the reasoning doesn’t hold; if anything, you might disagree with what it means, but that’s about it.

@Magnus

@Vulgard

Brad why are you townreading the wolfclaim this is FoL we’re playing on

Furthermore, branching out to talk about nothing useful.

This is the exact opposite of the truth. I was trying to get someone to discuss a read while other people were engaged in banter and shitposting. I know you said this was a speed ISO, but this is a gross misreading of the situation. If that was nothing useful, then how about everything else that people were posting in that timeframe?

@Magnus

@Vulgard

Honestly the fact you felt condemned by it at all is kinda towny since I was joking

Disagreed with by Eliza. Likely unpaired with Eliza.

Even from the POV of you wanting to preflip me for some reason, this doesn’t make much sense. Two people disagreeing on a read doesn’t make them unaligned. I’m not sure what you’re doing here.

[Magnus]

@KingTroll

I think I have one read btw consider this the vaguest breadcrumb that means absolutely nothing and actually makes me look scum

Share with the class.

[Vulgard]

@Magnus

I have a personal objective, something I want to happen that’s known only to me. Unrelated to my wincon. I will explain to you all once this condition succeeds or fails.

I’ll assemble a readlist ASAP for you all, and make it specifically as contentious as possible. You’re all welcome.

If this objective of yours involves “reading” me by preflipping me with other players and unaligning me based on surface-level interactions, then I’d rather you explain what you’re doing right now, because this ain’t it.

[Vulgard]

@O.kazo

Did something happen while I was away?

Read the thread?

[Vulgard]

Like, there are some contexts where I’m okay with people asking for cliffs, but the game has objectively been slow so far.

@O.kazo

@lol

194/150

Fine, I agree that not every post might need a postcount, but this is a blatant misinformation.

Does lol’s misinformation mean anything to you in terms of his alignment?

[O.kazo]

Did afterwards.

Just posted so people would know I’m available. (I don’t have much time at this moment)

[O.kazo]

On itself probably nothing.

[O.kazo]

Obligatory OMGUS
VOTE: Vulgard

Also except Neon, the ones who called out my disapparances last game were all scum.

[Magnus]

I have a self-centred wish I want to bring out, don’t worry.

@Vulgard

That’s… basically the same thing I’ve done here? A crucial difference is that there isn’t much I can talk about compared to there. A lot of people are still in RVS and the only read that was given except for mine (Brad’s) turned out to be a meme according to him. Marl has two wolfreads but he isn’t outing them.

Why are you analyzing my slot from the POV of who I’m paired/unpaired with? You’re preflipping me mafia for no reason and I don’t recall you doing that to other people before, including in the last game we played together.

The game has been slow, so I’m trying to shake a few hornet nests. Part of that is a surface “hey, Vulgard’s acting differently, I wonder why?” and examining your behaviour through that lens, when I’m sure the context explains the change. I hold no attachment to any early reads, and I never even voted you.

You recently played one game with me — Kaguya-sama. Associative reading is definitely something I dabble or used to dabble in (i.e Morbtainado), so just let me do my thing. If I was hardaccusing you, I’d already be pushing for your elimination.

@Vulgard

I think bothering to write this type of opening post by hand is the towny kind of effort, because most wolves wouldn’t feel the need to do that. I knew I’d get pushback on this read when I was making it, but I don’t see why the reasoning doesn’t hold; if anything, you might disagree with what it means, but that’s about it.

A villager doesn’t need to make the effort to act town in their opening post; they can do that later. But a wolf can’t afford not to look town, even from the beginning of the game. That was my point.

@Vulgard

This is the exact opposite of the truth. I was trying to get someone to discuss a read while other people were engaged in banter and shitposting. I know you said this was a speed ISO, but this is a gross misreading of the situation. If that was nothing useful, then how about everything else that people were posting in that timeframe?

You questioned Brad on calling Eliza Town. Now that you pressed me on the matter, I can actually dedicate more of my focus to the topic: this is you being critical. Hence, this is you demonstrating good behaviour. However, the topic did go nowhere, so…

@Vulgard

Even from the POV of you wanting to preflip me for some reason, this doesn’t make much sense. Two people disagreeing on a read doesn’t make them unaligned. I’m not sure what you’re doing here.

From your perspective you’d already know if you were paired or unpaired with Eliza, so it’d be strange for you to argue against the reasons to unpair you with others. It makes you look better if said person flips evil, so most players as either alignment would welcome it. So you’re looking at the game through an objective lens… intriguing.

[O.kazo]

My lunch break is over, so see you again in a few hours.

12/150

[Magnus]

Readlist (Unordered)

Town JOAT:

• Magnus

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Townread:

• May (subject to change later)

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Townlean:

• Zorvo
• Lemon

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Nulltown:

• Silviu
• KingTroll
• Marl (variant depending on those two reads which may or may not exist/be reasonable)
• Eliza

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Null:

• Min
• Lol
• Bradland (actively)

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Nullscum:

• YBW
• Vulgard
• Molly

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Scumlean:

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Scumread:

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Is it a bad sign if I hate my own readlist?

[lol]

ok
20/150

[Vulgard]

@O.kazo

Obligatory OMGUS
VOTE: Vulgard

Why “obligatory?”

@O.kazo

Also except Neon, the ones who called out my disapparances last game were all scum.

Point me where you think I did that.

@Magnus

However, the topic did go nowhere, so…

That’s because Brad said the townread was a meme. There’s not much more to talk about after that.

@Magnus

From your perspective you’d already know if you were paired or unpaired with Eliza, so it’d be strange for you to argue against the reasons to unpair you with others.

Eliza’s alignment doesn’t matter to me here. The part I’m taking issue with is that you’re reading me through associatives but the unpaired reads you’re making are bad.

Simply put, I don’t think you believe what you’re saying. The only basis for your Eliza/Vulgard unalign is that me and Eliza disagreed on a read within the first 200 posts of the game, and I don’t think you’d consider that sufficient as town.

The unalign below I also find questionable.

@Magnus

Unpaired with YBW, as wolf trying to microread something as Town because… it’s handwritten? No, this reasoning doesn’t hold. I disagreed with Vulgard’s interpretation earlier (saying it’s nullscum more than anything), and Zorvo disagreed as well, saying it’s NAI. There may or may not have been others, this is a speed ISO.

I’m looking at this through the lens of you being a villager analyzing me through associatives - and I don’t think this unalign makes sense, either. I could be a wolf making a forced early townread on my partner, there is nothing preventing that from being the case.

Perhaps I should ask: why do you feel comfortable with unaligning me with several players based on thin reasons?

[Marluxion]

@Vulgard

Marl has two wolfreads but he isn’t outing them.

Brad and to a lesser extent Silviu

[lol]

@O.kazo

Fine, I agree that not every post might need a postcount, but this is a blatant misinformation.

[Marluxion]

I wanted to wait for Silviu to post more but if people are gonna be hung up on me not saying it’s best to just talk about it instead

[Vulgard]

I’ve never seen Silviu write a post as long as the one on Eliza+others in a game before, but that post barely talks about the game, so I’m not sure if that’s alignment indicative for him at all.

I don’t have any more to say about his slot right now.

Brad giving a meme townread and not much else is iffy but I’m giving him some space.

[Marluxion]

that’s the joke

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

Brad giving a meme townread and not much else is iffy but I’m giving him some space.

Fwiw when I wrote the post about being inside his walls I was waiting for him to respond because I thought he was frozen after I called him out on making a fake read. He later claimed he didn’t realize I was asking him a question, which was weird but I don’t think it’s worth reading into.

[Marluxion]

@Silviu200530

Also meta-read for Trollo, not sure how effective this is, this is just a blind guess as people can literally be different when they’re playing FM, like me right now. This is the first time in like 5y+ he decided to play again. I would presume Trollo would be hyperactive and I suppose impulsive when an upsetting situation arises, but no worries, I don’t think he will done legit get Happy Tree House levels of upset.

this part is what pinged me mostly
there is a lot of assuming happening here and very little actual deduction
it’s like it’s assuming he’s town and trying to explain his behavior that way