GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[May]

Bickering with people in mafia is the best part of mafia. I love shooting psychic beams

[Lemonfairy]

this is funny
but it won’t hold if Magnus flips wolf

[May]

At this point in the game, “scummy things” isn’t going to cut it. Solving a game isn’t going “okay well this person did THIS sus thing but the OTHER person was even SUSSER so let’s execute the top 2 SUSSY people”. Inconsistent attitudes and slips and that sort of thing are great for figuring out where to draw your attention, but once you’re solving, your focus has got to be on the higher-level attitudes and partnerships people have toward each other. We’re long out of RVS, Lemon, and I have better to do than harping on every last wolfy post.

[May]

Yeah I do need to actually case Magnus but I keep getting distracted by bickering with you because it’s very fun. This is super effective keep doing it

[Lemonfairy]

@May

Yeah I do need to actually case Magnus but I keep getting distracted by bickering with you because it’s very fun. This is super effective keep doing it

hey, you’re the one distracting me
not the other way around

I’m just bad at putting an end to arguments

[May]

Maybe we’re both messing with each other’s ability to focus. Call that mutually assured distraction

[Lemonfairy]

@May

At this point in the game, “scummy things” isn’t going to cut it. Solving a game isn’t going “okay well this person did THIS sus thing but the OTHER person was even SUSSER so let’s execute the top 2 SUSSY people”. Inconsistent attitudes and slips and that sort of thing are great for figuring out where to draw your attention, but once you’re solving, your focus has got to be on the higher-level attitudes and partnerships people have toward each other. We’re long out of RVS, Lemon, and I have better to do than harping on every last wolfy post.

I think exe-ing the scummiest people is fine
especially if they look partnered

and if your strongest scumreads can’t be partnered, you’re doing something wrong

[May]

Yeah, and the thing you’re doing wrong is basing scumreads off of isolated wolfy posts instead of interactions between players.

[Lemonfairy]

but you’re obviously partnered with Magnus and I scumread you both so I’m probably right?

[Lemonfairy]

did you think I wasn’t looking at interactions?
because I was

[Lemonfairy]

why am I the second top poster lol

[May]

You are doing something right this game! You’ve done great - I didn’t suspect you at all until very recently, and you were exactly the right balance between townie and wolfy to remain out of everyone’s PoEs but avoid the “why isn’t this person being executed” gaze of suspicion. It’s really admirable stuff and I only spotted you once the game had narrowed a lot.

[May]

Anyway the mafia theory argument we’re having here is just us coming at the same idea from a mildly different perspective and that’s boring so I’m going to keep accusing you of being a wolf if that’s okay?

[YoubutWorse]

May do you think we should kill lemonfairy over magnus? You said yourself you also think Magnus is scum, so I wanna understand what youre saying.

[YoubutWorse]

Like I dont understand your logic in how you still scumread Lemon bc she is v towny, I mean I think I know why but I’m trying not to pre-flip

[May]

I haven’t ISO’d Magnus at all, so I don’t have proper partner worlds for them worked out right now.

Until I do that, I won’t have the information to make a proper judgement call. I don’t mind a Magnus execution as of now, because they’re my top suspect outside of Vulgard/Lemon - if they flip wolf, that’s a wolf dead, and if they flip town, that’ll hopefully talk everyone else out of their scumread on me - but if I were king and immune to votes, I’d flip someone other than Magnus today (with my current information, subject to change once I iso them and determine potential partnerships).

[Host_Account_1]

Vote Count

Magnus (2): Vulgard, BradLand
Lemonfairy (2): Magnus, May
May (1): mollylikesorigami

Not Voting (2): YoubutWorse, Lemonfairy

Day ends 2022-10-04T22:00:00Z

[Magnus]

@Lemonfairy

I have, firstly, not been chilling this entire game
did you forget D2 where I hard-pushed Marl and killed them? (sorry Marl)

First of all, pushing Marl apparently wasn’t entirely your idea.

@Host_Account_1

[color=green]Marluxion (2): YoubutWorse, KingTroll

@KingTroll

VOTE: Lemonfairy

hi guys. vulgard is never scum and neither is ybw unless silv is also a wolf

@Vulgard

@KingTroll

do i flashwagon silv

@YoubutWorse

thing is I’m not a super big fan of people on either wagon (wagon should be in quotes considering its 6 votes v 2)

ill prob stay on marl bc lol vanity but if I had to vote it wouldve been on okazo

@KingTroll

honestly fair. wagon isn’t moving i’ll move my vote back out of pride

VOTE: Marluxion

@Lemonfairy

VOTE: Marluxion

@Lemonfairy

VOTE: Silviu

@May

VOTE: Silviu

i’m curious why you were all doing this

@Vulgard

VOTE: Lemonfairy

@ElizaThePsycho

VOTE: Marluxion

@Lemonfairy

@Vulgard

i’m curious why you were all doing this

I never finished catching up and remembered it was EOD with like 2 mins
so I dropped a vote to make myself more readable

being told to vote someone made me paranoid so I voted Silviu right after
because I am unpredictable

@Lemonfairy

I had Marl lower within the town tiers and Silviu was higher in the scum tiers

@Lemonfairy

I don’t remember anything super specific but
Marl idk I liked some of the in the moment reads and Silviu had some non-content posts just about how town should play mafia

@YoubutWorse

I gotta go soon, feel like this will help overall
VOTE: Lemonfairy

@KingTroll

VOTE: Lemonfairy

anyway to not continue to waste posts I also really want silv and may to talk about their eod opinions. may did set up a lot of love for flashwagons and was also around longer at eod so that’s why I’m not putting as much focus on them as lemon but it’s still a thing that happened

@Zorvo

VOTE: Marluxion

I’m sorry but how he treated O.Kazo he is probably a wolf.

@Lemonfairy

ok so I’ve read from post #500-something to #840
and I think I have a better sense of the game

but I think I’ll call it a day and go to sleep now
because I think I might be getting a cold

@Lemonfairy

and this is my vote after reading

VOTE: Marluxion

That’s how long it took for you to vote anyone, but with the heat on you felt the need to vote someone, so you went after Marl.
Here’s how long it took for you to justify that read, while deflecting questions about why you hadn’t explained your read yet all the while:

@Lemonfairy

okok I’ve mostly caught up
I got to the point where I showed up D2 (#1181)

@Lemonfairy

think I’ll probably never read the rest or just skim

@Lemonfairy

ok but
I think I might be overconfident again but after reading I think I might have a solve

it’s a 3-person scumteam right?

@Lemonfairy

Vulgard/Zorvo/Troll
YBW/May
Eliza/Brad

lol/Ilwei/Magnus

Molly
Marl

@Lemonfairy

I really think this is the solve, friends
someone tell me if I’m crazy

@Lemonfairy

and like
I was thinking molly could be partnered with Marl before I saw her vote on me so it isn’t even OMGUS

@Lemonfairy

posts are ok
decent wolf equity with both Marl and kazo

everyone else I either townread or has some non w/w interaction with kazo

@Lemonfairy

how is Marl town?

also a wagon forming quickly is not necessarily town-indicative of the wagoned
remember, we have (excluding self) 12 players, 2 of which are scum and 10 are town

there’s only what, 5 people on Marl and they all look like town to me

@Lemonfairy

well I’ve read the thread now
and I was technically talking about reading the thread, not not reading it

ew double negative

also what’s with the vote and unvote?

@Lemonfairy

@Marluxion

lemonfairy has not said why they think i’m scum

why don’t you ask or talk to me?

@Lemonfairy

Vulgard actually, your initial wall on Marl played a part in my scumread on them
why do you think they’re town now?

I know you said something about their reaction to your push is towny but fmpov Marl’s reaction actually looked worse for them

@Lemonfairy

fair
idk, I don’t really have much to talk to you about scumreading you
feels kind of pointless? because you’re obviously not going to agree

what are your reads right now?
like, who’s your hypothetical scumteam?

@Lemonfairy

@Marluxion

vulgard

brad
zorvo

can agree on this tbh

@Lemonfairy

any thoughts you just want to out that you haven’t already?
idk what I’m doing I just want to talk with people

@Lemonfairy

I think I really just need someone to aggressively question all my reads rn

@Lemonfairy

@Vulgard

though i think he’s wrong on marl

why is marl town?

@Lemonfairy

I could explain but I have like 3 pages of notes I don’t want to type up
I’m working on a case (sort of) now so yeah

but it’s essentially a combination of townreading/leaning everyone else and looking at associations

I actually really want to know where you disagree and why because I want to see if the world I have could be real or if I’m just grasping at nothing

@Lemonfairy

@Vulgard

it’s not that i disagree (except for marl which i just explained) it’s just that i’m… confused by it and it seems really out of place

ok that’s fair ig
it did look like I had 0 progression from how I went about it

@Lemonfairy

@Vulgard

if marl is a wolf i guess i’ll have to throw out half my reads because i’m realizing that i predicate a lot on me being correct about him

I think Marl pocketed you

@Lemonfairy

@Zorvo

I still think Marlu/Vulgard is a difference check.

I’m thinking Vulgard is most likely just town

@Lemonfairy

@ElizaThePsycho

it also hinges upon marl being town

exactly
I think Marl needs to flip first

I will heavily re-eval if Marl is not scum

@Lemonfairy

I want a Marl exe
or molly

GOAT^2 - Game Thread (7/15) - Day 5

At the risk of looking like a complete dumb dumb if I’m wrong, here’s a case (?) on how Marl/molly/O.kazo could be the solve for this game

Marl ISO

Marl’s reaction to Zorvo calling Marl out for saying “that’s not how Zorvo solves” is eh the initial correction of grammar feels like a deflection and the actual response is very bland and has no detail or elaboration ^comment on Vulgard voting O.kazo could easily be soft-defending a scumbuddy but not conclusive Marl outs the…

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After Marl’s flip, you just had this to say:

@Lemonfairy

well, I feel like a big dumb dumb after EOD
lol kill was… unexpected

@Lemonfairy

I thought molly was more likely town after yesterday?
idk
I can see it though

@Lemonfairy

I’m going to potato and not solve

@Lemonfairy

I’m not going to go against it because I don’t really trust my reads anymore but yeah
we’ll see

@Lemonfairy

oh right

I remember more than one person saying Marl could be town but exe-ing them was good for the gamestate
sounds kinda sus in hindsight

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@Lemonfairy

do you actually have any legitimate reasons for scumreading me?
if your push is legit and from town, you would make a proper case against me with quotes and who you think I’m partnered with

so do that or die

I was scumread the last two times I wrote up a wolfcase, and accused of looking through a biased lens and justifying myself unreasonably.

@Lemonfairy

I literally cannot see this coming from town
who even says “there’s 1 wolf in x/x/x and 1 wolf in y/y/y” when there’s literally only 7 people alive?

I’m discounting myself, and separating the groups to make it easier for myself.
Given an execution and a nightkill, I’m pretty sure the scumteam is just made obvious.

@Lemonfairy

sheeping Vulgard is the way to go
if you think I’m scum and even that I’m likely scum with Vulgard, why even bother to ask me to not sheep Vulgard?

Don’t sheep Vulgard if I flip Town, please. I don’t trust his current readlist.

@Lemonfairy

if they’re smart. they’d NK me tonight

Regardless of your alignment, you shouldn’t be night,ille

@Lemonfairy

yeah, it was a combination of POE + you and May outing yourselves
and if you’re town, you’d be pointing out who I’m misclearing instead of stressing that you are “GOOD”

or actually, you wouldn’t even say this because you supposedly think I’m scum
town does not try to appeal to their scumreads to convince they are town

I’m just having a conversation.

@Lemonfairy

Magnus quoting dead towns townreading Magnus is also lol

min scumread Magnus
Eliza scumread Magnus (I didn’t forget )

Can you quote Min and Eliza’s most recent readlists?

In any case, given how nobody other than May seems to be even considering the possibility of me being good, and nobody is planning to consider the possibility of May being good until I flip Town, I’ve of the opinion Magnus/May is an agenda push (fmpov), which means May is most likely good here.
Do not vote May out tomorrow. I think Lemon’s evil, and their partner is either Vulgard or Brad through process of elimination, much more likely the former.

[Vulgard]

@May

You’re individually more scummy than Magnus because of your respective attitudes toward the game. It’s not really a solid, strong read I can explain, but you’re just less solvy, I suppose.

lol.

@May

Anyway Lemon’s a cornered wolf trying to further discredit my arguments now

lol.

[Vulgard]

i could probably add something more substantive here but i feel like this should speak for itself.
kill them both.