Something something nickels happened twice
now I will proceed to make commentary on other peopleâs worlds
Vul
I didnât really like the Brad/molly world. It was kind ofâŚmeh. Both have not been super active or have had a lot of influence in thread. I donât think a Brad/molly team would have the confidence to continuously JOAT hunt.
I like the May/molly world a lot better, actually. I initially ruled it out because of how molly was scumreading and voting May D5 but recent posts have made me rethink this.
May
I think the Vul/Brad team is ok, actually, but I donât think itâs the solve. I know I said I canât really judge meta from one game but in the game Vul linked, scum!Brad was townreading scumpartner!Vul a lot more than what happened this game.
The fact that May stopped there and actively decided to not re-eval and to start convincing others that Brad/Vul is the team is not a good look.
Brad
I wasnât keen when Brad said that molly for sure was scum and they werenât sure on May/Vul because I thought molly was townier at the time. I donât think a Vul/molly world has been explored (maybe for good reason but I might try to look at that later just to be thorough - no promises).
The way Brad moves from molly + May/Vul to molly/May feels natural considering how Vul was townreading Brad there. idk, as it has been pointed out before, Brad has done less today than molly and May but imo Brad doesnât really fit into any team.
Looking at this interaction in particular (yes, Iâm quoting my own comment about it b/c I donât want to go back and find the actual posts):
oh here it is (thanks Vul)
why did I find this funny
molly
molly was commenting on how Brad was not doing much and didnât really post a conclusion on Brad/Vul. Then found May/Vul not w/w and said Brad/May was inconclusive while still scumreading Brad.
Honestly, I thought molly was going to hardpush May or something and I thought the way molly treated May D5 unaligned them. Another point was the way molly said that out of the people who were pushing her before, May was the most suspicious for pushing her just because molly supposedly had TMI.
However, I also think the way molly is scumreading just Brad fits into the scumâs agenda of having just a singular mis-exe push for today and not really caring as much about the feasibility of the worlds (I stole this point from Cream, but donât tell her). On the other hand, it also kind of makes sense if she found May/Vul unlikely and wasnât sure about Brad/May and Brad/Vul.
tbh I keep thinking I get better at solving with every game but reality tells me itâs mostly just my wishful thinking
For me itâs less that they seem super aligned and more that I havenât really found evidence to disprove it
Also in regards to JOAT hunting itâs evident right now that everyone has been quite wrong about the game including the people who were nightkilled so if youâre not going to JOAT hunt then what are you going to do with the nightkill
I guess kill the towny people? But again if you just do that then youâre probably missing both JOATs because most PRs donât go out of their way to look super towny in order to avoid getting killed, and missing both JOATs = free clear in lylo = decent likelihood one eventually catches a wolf or gets a save
Also itâs pretty clear that they did a pretty poor job of it considering the fact they kept missing you (I didnât have a JOAT read on you but I wasnât actively thinking about who it could be)
I just feel like almost everyone would try to kill the JOATs if the village is wrong and we know the village has been wrong
I also tried to think from the perspective of âwho is good at PR huntingâ but that doesnât really work because they didnât find you
fair
tbf, I wasnât being very JOAT-like
Though itâs possible Iâm wrong about this, again itâs just speculation and I donât want this to be the basis of the solve
I do think the point I made earlier about wolves saving Lemon for a ML and therefore not considering her as a potential JOAT has merit though
And the two people who tried to make a Lemon ML happen were May and Molly so yeah
If it were Magnus/May that wouldâve been the most epic dunk yesterday but sadly the most epic dunks are never on the actual wolves lmao
same
think they left me as ML bait
jokeâs on you, scum
May can still be a wolf though
And like I said earlier, going further with this point, if they considered you a ML then they didnât think you were JOAT because youâre not a viable ML if youâre JOAT, thatâs someone you kill and not keep alive to ML
I shouldâve tried to get May D5 (I was thinking this too because Magnus couldnât have been the roleblocker) but that would mean we might just brainlessly misexe Magnus today and make it harder to find the final scum
(hypothetically if May was scum - this disclaimer is needed b/c I donât want to end up tunneling again and not consider everything in full)
So based on threadplay I think the most likely team to keep Lemon alive and never figure out sheâs JOAT is molly/May
I donât think these two have a lot of experience PR hunting either (May said they kept randing town all the time, though admittedly I donât know how many wolfgames molly has played)
Brad definitely has some experience PR hunting, but heâs not a player with a lot of initiative as a wolf, so arguably he also fits into this line of thinking - which is why I didnât place too much focus on it earlier
But he didnât actually push Lemon at any point, so the âthey wanted Lemon as an ML and thatâs why they didnât kill herâ idea would be less likely to be present if Brad were a wolf, thereâs also the fact that I think mafia Brad would be more likely to advocate for killing Lemon simply because he finds her towny and sheâs active (though this part is more my speculation than anything I have actual evidence for)
currently Im leaning towards molly wolf so may/molly works with that, also already was kinda scumleaning may basically bc everyone else is townier
âDestruction of my Brad readâ = I wolfread Brad off a misremembered fact (I thought he had voted for O kazo without reason, he had actually voted for Silviu without reason)
Do you think it can be brad/molly?
it also doesnât make sense for Vul as scum to townread me that hard D5 if theyâve kept me alive as ML bait
If you sort by postcount itâs May and molly
honestly Vul, if youâre scum then gg you deserve it
otherwise, I think youâre just town
Also Iâm somewhat experienced with PR hunting because I play a lot of whisper-enabled games, meaning there still is motivation to find PR crumbs, if only so you can go to your fellow townie and DM them SHUT THE FUCK UP before they get killed.
I see Iâm the top wagon now! Voted by the people who I think are scum, but top wagon nonetheless. I will note that the person talking to you now does not believe what yesterday May said about not needing to possibly re-eval, thatâs not true, I want to keep watch for signs that Iâm wrong, and I donât know why he said that.