GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[Vulgard]

@May

I want to keep watch for signs that I’m wrong, and I don’t know why he said that.

I assume that you haven’t found signs that you’re wrong?

[May]

I haven’t! Unless you count the signs that I was wrong about literally every other theory that I constructed this game, but I’m trying not to dwell on that.

[Vulgard]

Okay then

[Lemonfairy]

well, maybe you should because if I weren’t the JOAT, you’d still be stuck on lemon/Vul as the solve

[May]

Yeah. So I re-evaluated then, mostly from scratch, as I stated when it happened, and now I have my new world and I legitimately can’t see how Molly fits into either team. I haven’t looked at her in-depth post-JOAT reveal, so it’s still possible that I’m wrong, but it doesn’t feel probable.

[May]

Hm. Maybe it js probable actually. I’m thinking about it more. It could be. I should really look closer. I was thinking about saying “oh oh put me in the camp where if Molly is wolf I’ll just be owned online” but that’s a lazy attitude toward someone who doesn’t deserve it sorry. As I think most of your “just put me in the snowed by xyz”

[Vulgard]

You have spent the entire game killing my top townreads and being proven wrong and now your team is me and my top townread from earlier days, so basically nothing changed
I feel like you should be convincing me you’re town here and that Brad is mafia if anything

[Lemonfairy]

it was kind of weird how you were able to see Magnus as town but couldn’t move past me/Vul but I guess you were townreading Magnus from before

[Vulgard]

@Lemonfairy

it was kind of weird how you were able to see Magnus as town

The thing is that they supposedly were but then they allowed his yeet anyway when they realized there was a lot of momentum on it

[May]

You know my mental narrative here has you in the role of “playing Cassandra for townpoints to trade in for end-of-game MLs”, right, and that if you want to convince me you’re town you should try to disprove that narrative rather than pushing at me even further.

[Lemonfairy]

so fypov it’s: Vul, Brad, molly
and you think it’s Vul/Brad because you can’t see a Vul/molly or Brad/molly world

[Vulgard]

I feel like it’s very obvious I haven’t been TMIng anyone for townpoints especially when it comes to Marl
I literally wolfread him for a fair bit on day 1 I just stopped believing in this and I didn’t believe any of the cases on day 2 because most people didn’t have an actual case and they just wanted him to flip

[May]

I was able to see Magnus as town because the “obvious scum” world you’d all built together was me partnered with them. Of course I couldn’t see it! I was asking around for other Magnus scum worlds that didn’t include me because I wanted to look for alternate narratives. I think I played a little more bought-in to Lemon/Vulgard than I actually was (though I’m not going to downplay things here, I absolutely was at least somewhat tunneled, especially once Magnus flipped town).

[May]

Yep, though having woken up a new person today I’m trying to think about whether I still find those latter two worlds implausible.

[Vulgard]

@May

I was able to see Magnus as town because the “obvious scum” world you’d all built together was me partnered with them . Of course I couldn’t see it

That’s not how this works
Magnus can still be mafia even if you aren’t and you didn’t even visibly consider that
You just called him town and kept calling him town but also agreed for him to die without ever expressing the thought that he might be mafia
One day before LyLo
That’s not what you do if you genuinely believe someone is town and the village is being led into LyLo/MyLo
If you think he might be mafia you consider that
But you just talked to him like you knew he was town for the entire day without actually defending him from being killed and the game going into f5

[Vulgard]

I feel like you’re the one doing the Cassandra moment here because you were going to use the credit from townreading Magnus to push over your world today and the world you’re pushing solidifies this for me

[May]

@Vulgard

@May

I was able to see Magnus as town because the “obvious scum” world you’d all built together was me partnered with them . Of course I couldn’t see it

That’s not how this works
Magnus can still be mafia even if you aren’t and you didn’t even visibly consider that
You just called him town and kept calling him town but also agreed for him to die without ever expressing the thought that he might be mafia
One day before LyLo
That’s not what you do if you genuinely believe someone is town and the village is being led into LyLo/MyLo
If you think he might be mafia you consider that
But you just talked to him like you knew he was town for the entire day without actually defending him from being killed and the game going into f5

GUARDS!!! This clown is misrepresenting my attitudes in a mafia game!!! Take him away at once.

@May

I am waiting in suspense here, in a way I don’t think anyone else in thread (except maybe Brad) is. Magnus knows how they’ll flip. You all think you know for sure how Magnus will flip. I’m stuck in an uncertain hell and I have to wait three hours to get out.

@May

I’ve been saying all day that I want Magnus to flip today. I’m not gonna hammer them or anything, but I’ve been seeing a world where they’re wolf and I want to disprove (or prove) that world to myself before going after you and Vulgard. I previously considered actually letting a vote on you go through today, with Brad, right before the Wordle madness, and he said no let’s execute Magnus today, so I said okay.

@May

I literally asked multiple people earlier like hey do you have a Magnus scum world that doesn’t include me hey Magnus I was trying to get content out of you in case you flip W it’s just that other people have finally started fuckin talking to me about it

@May

Basically, my tier list for Magnus wolf partner is probably YBW > Molly > Brad > Lemon > Vulgard, one of which will die by the time I actually have to think about it. I will get beams shot at me for daring to even remotely scumread YBW shortly

@May

I don’t think there’s any reason Vulgard busses them here unless their wolfteam sucks to be in and they hate each other. Beyond that, the fog rolls in, as I haven’t read closely with Magnus scum in mind.

Magnus knows I’m focusing hard on Lemon/Vulgard as a scumworld and is putting a lot of work into convincing me to focus it - see the iso - so… it would probably be someone I overlook in that world? But then again, I only said I was interested in it if they flip town, so maybe not indicative?

They specifically claimed YBW was thread consensus town, something that draws my focus, and their iso on Brad is content that I specifically was trying to bait out when I first asked to analyze the chance of partnership there. I don’t think it seemed super aligned, and Brad seems town to be independently, so… probably not him?

Magnus/Me can’t be their partner
Vulgard pushed hard for their execution and it’s not a cohesive wolfteam if it exists
Lemon couuuld be something - trying to connect the flipped wolf Magnus to be has hard as possible - but I think I’d see you setting up for a second misexecution a little more
YBW is a probable potential partner if Magnus is wolf, I guess? She said Magnus was scummy but I was more scummy, sets up for my execution? I don’t see a ton here, I think I initially townread her in the context of KT scum and just forgot to drop it afterward
Brad they dropped a textwall iso on that probably has content for me to analyze properly but I haven’t
Molly I judged unaligned with Magnus forever ago but I forget why or how

@May

Self reflection and before you read it like that yes I’m town this isn’t openwolfing. Or regular wolfing

So thoroughly connecting myself with Magnus today was probably a misplay - it’s still possible they flip wolf, very possible, and in that case I’ve completely secured a misexecution for tomorrow… but I didn’t get a chance to do proper solving for so much of the game because I wasn’t fully present, so I couldn’t help but try to figure things out with the only other person who didn’t think they had the wolfteam. I’d still rate it like a 50/50 Magnus flips wolf vs not, I just haven’t as thoroughly explored that wolf world because nobody will talk to me about it, because they think I’m their partner. There has to be something showing who Magnus’s partner is, if they have one, and I should be looking for it, but it’s just so frustrating to do it alone. I need a fountain of motivation to draw endlessly from.

@May

Amn’t outed scum. My plan for if Magnus flips wolf BTW is to die. Most useful thing I can do. There’s a lot of it about.

@May

Hey, Vulgard, different question, not sure if you’ll have an answer, but is your Magnus wolfread contingent on me being their partner? What about vice versa?

@May

And on the off chance that you’re going to flip wolf, something I don’t believe in, please implore your partner to kill me tonight so that I don’t have to cope with the complete and total embarrassment of today. In my defense, if it’s the case, it will have happened because I was so rejected by town that I had to make friends with the scum to get any conversation done. Like a fucked up little puppy left in the box out in the rain, adopted and trained by wolves.

@May

Either way, you’ve put in the work today, Magnus, when you could’ve just accepted death lying down, and that’s a point in my book. Multiple points, even. Thanks for playing the mafia game with me when nobody else would.

@May

But actually if Magnus is town it’s probably Lemon/Vulgard and if Magnus is wolf I got super pocketed by someone who was about to be executed and whose execution I was still advocating for even throughout the pocket and who everyone else in the thread said I was wolves with and that’s beautiful. That’s wonderful. Peace and love on planet earth.

@May

NGL when I first started asking you about shit I was trying to get as much content as possible out of you before a wolf flip but I just cannot resist the siren call of trusting the only person in the thread who is right about my slot. Forget what I said on D1 about mistrusting those who TR me. Magnus is the only bitch in the thread I trust

@May

Mmm I’m gonna undo my edit and EBWOP here, I feel like that’s too much content for me to edit in good faith, even if it’s a single word. I said “before a wolf flip”, I would like to clarify that I meant “before a potential wolf flip” and I do not think a Magnus wolf flip is inevitable. You can see that I reverted the post to its original state by clicking that orange pencil. I love ethics and morals

This last one is the most important - I asked Magnus about Brad because I wanted content from them to analyze post-potential-wolf-flip. Talking to someone like you know they’re town is the best way to get a wolf to be comfortable with you and spew their partner. I was treating Magnus like obvious town, at least at first, knowingly and on purpose - I became more legitimately convinced they were town later on, but it wasn’t something I bought into all day.

[Vulgard]

If you ever thought my townread on Brad was ever questionable then why did you never contest it
I kept asking for people to engage me on it, I even posted a game to read where me and Brad were W/W (exactly what you’re arguing today) and which took place less than a month ago, you never actually read the game and you never talked to me about my read

[Vulgard]

@May

GUARDS!!! This clown is misrepresenting my attitudes in a mafia game!!!

@May

NGL when I first started asking you about shit I was trying to get as much content as possible out of you before a wolf flip but I just cannot resist the siren call of trusting the only person in the thread who is right about my slot. Forget what I said on D1 about mistrusting those who TR me. Magnus is the only bitch in the thread I trust

I assume you mean this
This honestly reads as fake to me but I’m already biased

[Vulgard]

You’ve also actively refused to talk about molly who I think is your partner, even now you’re putting off actually reading her and for the entire game you’ve been reading her on conditionals