Tell me when/where?
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FTR Iām like 150% sure this is going to get taken as AtE but I donāt care, this needs to be said. No other player I know of is treated in a similar fashion.
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okay weāve been in the rvs phase for a while but everyone has been having problems getting pushes off the ground itās not just you. take mayās push on me they genuinely believe iām scummy but no one (including you) took it seriously or reacted to it so be the change you want to see in the world first off and interact with other pushes before complaining about your own
that push actually got attention but iād like to see who was saying you were lolcatting it. iām still thinking that itās possible that you and magnus were distancing given how bombastic your conversation was without really accomplishing much but it didnāt strike me as a tunnel
true i think iāll need to go back and reread to find out which one of you two actually pushed the other first. that was a valid push but it still doesnāt cement you as town if vulgard scumflips especially if vulgard was playing up the performance without actually doing anything entirely for you to push them on
okay so you push on someone and that person immediately votes you back and yells at you for not townreading them and youā¦ back off and decide to compromise with them less than thirty posts later? i donāt see the logic behind it especially when marl is being extremely public about not townreading you anymore due to a little push arguably you should still be on them
as much as i also like silv (silv is really cool) preconceived relationships brought into the game and changing where your vote would otherwise be is a bit bleh. interesting tidbit about brad
have you been the main person pushing on o.kazo? iāve really thought thatās been zorvo but maybe iām just blind
this is not a good reason. make your own reads on a wagon before just hopping on it
adopting a defeatist attitude rn about your posts isnāt helpful for anyone regardless of your alignment
and iāve started magnus and vulgard back at eachother which is not helpful for gamestate at all. itād be really cool if magnus/vulgard/marl could interact with people outside of that triangle more often
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Regardless. I think O. Kazo is the most likely player to flip wolf. Iām temporarily letting Marl push on Silviu because I donāt actually have a read on Silviu and he might be right, so Iām ok with following that push today. If heās wrong, and/or if I die, then he and everyone else will hopefully listen to me and vote out O. Kazo tomorrow. I think the way Marl reacted to my push on him is unfortunately town indicative for him.
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youāre town, right. if you are town your rolecard says you are town. that means you are the only town player you know 100% to be town. so why are you trusting the reads of someone who, if theyāre town, might be right, over the scum reads of a confirmed town player in your eyes
Making an early read based on nothing, because you want to be seen as useful when everyone else is meming and thus receive a townread for it.
Starts a back and forth with Eliza.
Weāve disagreed on this front, but THIS isnāt important. Elizaās claim was a joke, and Bradās response was to said joke, and from your later responses, itās clear you werenāt dismissing this as a joke, but trying to bring it to a serious level.
This isnāt a read, whereās the substance?
In hindsight, you didnāt really run with the Eliza claim joke, but thatās taking this out of context so forget it.
Early wagons usually arenāt important, and this is your way of appearing proactive when everyone else is still meming.
All about looking important, but you werenāt really making waves.
And then you started responding to my posts, so thatās all thatās immediately relevant to your question.
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Youāre just proving my point. Iāve interacted with a lot of people throughout the game and I gave detailed thoughts about Mayās push on you in particular.
Marl is the first one that comes to mind.
I had a push on O. Kazo later but it wasnāt really talked about.
I know, but clearly the other things Iām doing arenāt helpful either because they all get forgotten.
Like this:
Should I go back to my ISO and quote every single post where I interact with players other than Magnus and Marl (thereās a lot more of that in total than there is of Magnus and Marl interactions) or are you going to actually read them?
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Was catching up and literally had it in my mind āvulgard is being kinda wolfy I might vote themā and then i saw this. You are amazing and the best towns memeber kingtroll thank you for being what this town needs
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Because I think heās town and heās going to push me if I donāt sheep him, while I think he might be right + heāll hopefully listen to me if heās wrong + itās probably better for the gamestate that way.
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i will go iso you right now. i did formulate my current idea of you after reading silvās iso so i donāt want to be unfair to you this is just my idea of you from what iāve been remembering. your main interactions in my eyes have been the loudest with magnus and marl but that potentially could be more on them then you
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can you pass me some popcorn. iām still in your pocket
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Hell yeah dude we are in eachothers pockets 
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I am not returning for EOD, huh.
I should probably sleep, alright. Everyone alright with that?
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Iād call this scummy but I donāt think you fit into any scumteams Iām thinking of yet, so you both get a pass.
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sorry but i think marlās one of the most obvious villagers in the thread lol
i think in particular look at how his reads on you/brad developed, with how he townread you for getting what he thought was the easy dunk on brad. it really feels like he believes his brad read, and like itās so obvious to him that of course someone else had to point it out and have the same thought. just a sense of camaraderie/validation i very, very rarely see from wolves.
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i got a long ass exam today but i should be back for eod
iām not voting vul today lmao i think heās been very villagery, especially around when he started cooling off of his marl wolf read
i could go for kazo. his popins feel like heās just sitting in thread treading water, and i see him saying words but donāt feel him thinking if that makes sense, like he doesnāt have any plans to start solving.
i think bradās worst crime is just being underwhelming, donāt have the same meta as yāall so i donāt know what his polarization looks like sorry.
gtg, wish me luck
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the vulgard iso
may this is what i was talking about btw. now that content is actually starting iāve put the die back into the drawer you can stop scumreading me now <3
first interactions arenāt ai either way but vulgard does directly begin interacting with peopleās other opening posts instead of making their own
oh they townread me and my pears iām going to have to unvote 
this sounds like a joke response but
this is stating that it was a serious towny read? interesting
and this immediately goes back on it being the reasoning but townreads regardless and i am dizzy from this waltz iām doing. havenāt even gotten to the magnus stuff
this is well before everything thatās happened with marl and with that context going back. hmm. can i get someone elseās opinion on their early interactions iām afraid iām confbiasing
okay you did push o.kazo well beforehand i apologize that was my mistake
thatās magnus doing a metaread for some reason. really have to get used to that throw my brain into that mindset. however i think i agree with vulgard here on principle that there had not been much actual content up to that point
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this is true but iām going to sound like an ass here and call it overly defensive in response. itās dragging everyone else around down to pull vulgard up instead of just saying āthatās not really trueā
town comment
oh we agree here. huh alright still think that was a really weird read for marl to force and it just makes me more confused about why you backed off just because their reaction to a vote on them was towny
wow both magnus and marl stated that vulgard āshould know better than to do [x]ā which makes me dislike both of them lmao! really bad meta reads from the both of them but i donāt know why youāre wolfreading magnus while townreading marl when theyāve kind of been treating you the same way for the whole game
hmm. hmm!
okay you claimed that the reason you backed off was because people accused you of being tunnelly and lolcat activity but it looks like you backed off of your own volition from this
<3
iād like to apologize if youāre town and iām misreading your posts lmao
i like this actually
i donāt like this. thereās ten people not on this list and two of the people you claimed to have scumread in town reads but youāre more focused on self image
this is one of the few times youāve actually mentioned lol so if you could go off a bit on them iād like that.
yeah i fully apologize youāve been on kazo a lot this game
am i wrong in assuming youāve put lol in your scumreads by this point
i donāt think anything specifically changed after this they just omgus voted you and claimed that you were too smart to be on their wagon? which really shouldnāt have gotten you off that vote because itās not a real defense against the reason they were being sussed at the time
realizing to my dawning horror that none of vulgard/marl/magnus will get nightkilled so iāll actually have to solve this over the day. scum please kill me
this is a really good push that you dropped. i obviously donāt know marlās meta like you do but iām a bit disappointed if youāre town
youāve done a lot more interacting with zorvo than iāve remembered which is interesting. given how youāve both been scumreading o.kazo up to my push on you flipped zorvo i wouldāve thought iād have the two of you paired but itās kinda slipped out of my mind
both of these statements are true but you let marl off the hook and sheep them.
i mean being loud and bombastic and not taking a wagon on you seriously isnāt town ai. also do you have any sort of widespread comment about how marl never actually defended the wagon anyone made against him he just told everyone that they were basically being stupid
despite there still being grounds for a push on o.kazo (zorvo still had them in their sights and with you on them as well theyād go up to a top wagon since two people were already on it) you instead flip to sheeping someone who you put a decent case against
yeah you were really devoted to o. kazo but you forgot that you pushed them almost as often as i forgot you pushed them lmao- maybe thatās why i forgot
iām not happy with this either way. regardless of if youāre town or not this isnāt a pro-townie mindset. you should not be devoting yourself to a case entirely due to someone else d1 unless they got modpeeked, basically
why do you think marl will trust you so much btw. even if silv flips villager what makes you think theyāll sheep you like youāre sheeping them?
i swear i thought this was an ai response at the time but i canāt remember which way i thought it went
iām not going to say what i think this iso has resulted in until i get a response from vulgard on this. and a few other people tuning in wouldnāt hurt either
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actually me and youbutworse are the real wolves. iām going to throw
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one my cats tried to get through a gap in a door outside and hanged itself on its foot lucky i was around the vicinity or else it would have fucking died and they say cats are smart animals
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anyway vulgard wagon is crazy this day is full of twists and turns whats next a magnus wagon?
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