To be very honest: No.
In other words, we cannot confirm if a hypothetical SK has targeted Zorvo/min or not.
(Unless an investigative role comes forward, but claiming now is stupid.)
It wonāt go a while, Iāll probably leave thread in the next ~15 min
eevee was immune to normal kills in their role card so it could only be anti claim.
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on leafiaās end if nothing else :P
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Wait, am I blind? Where do you see this?
Okay. I am blind. Zorvo died from guilt.
So, odds are that he didnāt die from any other cause.
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@Vulgard I have never seen an sk with these type of game mechanics open claim day one only to then go āoops nevermind.ā
I am going to need a lot of convincing that this is a first time for everything. Please walk me through it because it makes absolutely 0 sense for anyone at all to ever play 3p like that.
My PoE is currently:
Hippo
Gorta
Leafia
Kiiruma
Vulgard
Alice
PlagueSimp
Because I have yet to sort most of them, and everyone else is either a townread or theyāre dead.
further, eevee made it clear mafia and 3p had role numbers to know what was safe to claim to some extent. Soā¦ yeah I dont understand why they would claim (āclaimā) vig yesterday with that info.
Like ever.
Fwiw I believe Zoneās claim to be insane
Achromatic - Buried Marl yesterday, top poster, no way this is a wolf
Illwei - Towny overall (understand Achroās concerns but unwilling to budge atm)
Atlas - Imo towny d1 (Achro convinced me)
Eliza - Maintaining the reasoning from earlier
Kiiruma - Donāt think he just shuts down completely as a wolf, early posts were towny
Beancat - Defense of Leafia seems uninformed in hindsight; this is less relevant if Leafia flips town but I still think the defenseās existence alone was villagery; note Alice disagreeing with me on this point in case Leafia does flip mafia and Beancat is indeed town
Zone - Vig claim probably comes from town
Wazza - I feel like I treated her a bit uncharitably though I still have some lingering concerns
PlagueSimp - This is probably town but Iām flip-flopping; they townread Wazza because Wazza is defending Leafia whom PlagueSimp finds towny, and that looked uninformed to me but also a really weird way to read Wazza considering the fact PlagueSimp shouldnāt know Leafiaās alignment and thus Wazza couldāve been defending a wolf from their POV, which obviously wouldnāt have been towny; w/e this is probably just a villager with their own way of thinking
Alice - No thoughts either way honestly, felt fine overall but nothing pinging me strongly; push on Hippo looks good for her if Hippo is a wolf, because itās unnecessary to bus a second wolf when a wolf called Marluxion is already getting pressure; agreed with some of my reads and some of her other reads look good in hindsight, but since she is very good at positioning herself as a wolf Iāll need something more than that to clear her fully
Gorta - This ISO is just devoid of any real content; him questioning Zoneās claim at EoD1 makes them unaligned, but it doesnāt really matter, because I think Zoneās a villager anyways (if not 3p); gun to head I would actually say villager because he didnāt even talk about Marl, Leafia, or the game itself, but thatās not exactly strong reasoning
Hippo - I was honestly going to put him higher, but his ISO isnāt terribly inspiring; him advocating for eevee to get vigged looked towny to me on the surface, considering the fact wolves anticlaim strongmanned eevee right after, but it couldāve just been an attempt to waste townās KP; sure, townās KP wouldāve been wasted by shooting a town, so Hippo didnāt need to do this, but if specifically Leafia is mafia, then diverting vigās attention is a good idea; still thinking this is town honestly but I understand why people donāt
Windward - Lower than I want her to be mostly because I have some concerns over wolves bussing each other (makes particular sense with Leafia on the team)
BradLand - Here largely off #918 and #928; overfocus on Illwei for the entire game which makes me suspicious of whiteknighting; completely ignored Leafia for the entire game outside of sorta signal-boosting Illweiās wolfread on Leafia but not really in #781; decided not to defend Marl when Marl got wagoned despite professing to townread him, which is uncharacteristic for town!Brad, and the reasoning āI donāt have a more confident scumreadā sounds weirdly TMI-ish because he had called Marl town, not mafia, implying that the townread was forgotten or this is a TMI slip (#3530)
Leafia - At this point Iāve accepted the fact that the gameās progression hinges on flipping her and thatās how it is
Dark green should be pure
Lime green one at most (not counting potential 3p)
The rest should have everyone unless my reads are really bad.
Would like everyone to look at the Brad read here above all and see if Iām right because Iām pretty sure that this tracks
I really want to tag everyone in the thread and remind them not to attempt to put anyone at L-1 today and accidentally hammer again but uh
That would be annoying, wouldnāt it
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Yeah. Youāre right and true, I can completely see Marl bussing me here if he was wolves with me, but I personally feel he wouldnāt have outed like that because heād be taking two wolves down to take out an nk that was always going to die anyway.
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Ah. So thatās why. Fair enough.
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Huh, I missed this probably because I never backread the whole formation of Marlās wagon
Gonna take a look at it tomorrow when I have more energy
Fwiw I do think the lime zone (zone, not Zone) probably contains the remaining 3p if thereās a second one but thatās not something Iām going to focus on right now
I agree with most of this but can we talk bradās history so you can walk me through it? I noticed he really over focused on Illwei yesterday as well and I circled him but the thing that made me question it was just how wrong he was when he snapped at me saying I was using vote hopping as a way to call illwei wolf. But I donāt know him, soā¦ would he be that sloppy in a zealous attempt to appear town? Itās only one post of course, so it doesnāt outweigh the odd focus on Illwei compared to the rest of the game but it stuck out.
This might be a valid point
Iāll consider it
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You canāt be serious here. I was in your towncore EoD yesterday.
Him passionately defending townreads is his regular MO and he does solve by towncore as town, my primary concern lies in how he handled Leafia (almost entirely by proxy, but without really pushing there or anything) and how he handled Marl (defended him at first, then acted like a wet noodle around his forming wagon as if he felt helpless despite having him as a townread before and reacting loudly to you wolfreading Illwei)
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