Happy Tree Friends FM - Game Thread Night 3 13/20

[Gorta]

that’s not it, I was AGREEING with you numerous times that I had no content on d1 due to circumstances I couldn’t control, but several times you took what I was saying to mean the opposite

[Vulgard]

@Gorta

several times you took what I was saying to mean the opposite

Can you elaborate?

[Vulgard]

/vote BradLand @Host_Account_2

I’m just going to do this for now until somebody disproves my case

[Alice]

@Vulgard

That’s the problem, actually
Town Brad goes out of his way to defend his townreads when they need it
When Marl got wagoned, Brad just… bowed out for some reason

How strongly did Brad TR Marl?

[Vulgard]

I’m fully aware that if Leafia is a wolf me pushing a counter to her looks terrible but honestly I don’t really care and I might end on Leafia anyway for gamestate’s sake

[Gorta]

you were initially leaning town on me because you thought I was implying there was any bit of great content that you were missing.

[Vulgard]

@Alice

How strongly did Brad TR Marl?

@Alice

@BradLand

Looking at Marl’s iso he actually did more than I realize in terms of reads related, feels pretty consistent not all over the place his worldview is pretty wide…or at least his reads seem to hit a decent amount of people.
So willing to lean him town.

@BradLand

There are points we disagree with, such as him not seeing why Windward was townreading a certain Min post and leaning Wind scum because of it, but I can see him at least having the read and not be full of shit.

Some takes I agree with such as his Wazza opening take and a few townreads he has.

@BradLand

Marl - I just iso’d him and explained but while I disagree with some of his assessments I feel like I can see him believing them and that’s usually towny in general and has a pretty vast worldview/read range.

This strongly

[Vulgard]

Oh yeah, I saw you take offense to that (sort of), but since then, my reasoning to TR you has changed; so, unless you think my previous (faultily based) reasoning is worth discussing, then I’d just let it go if I were you

[Gorta]

@Achromatic I don’t think Vul really wavers in the opinion department of Brad if we are being honest. The progression seems logical

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

This strongly

He went out of his way to post a lot about why he townread Marl (much like he did with Illwei) but unlike with Illwei he didn’t actually defend him when it mattered

[Gorta]

I was simply frustrated, nothing worth arguing over

[Vulgard]

Fair enough
I’m interested in your thoughts about Illwei fwiw

[Alice]

Yeah… I’m actually at likely Hippo/Plague/Brad rn tbh.

I don’t think that the lack of defense from him was that bad but the the TL in general kind of feels kind cautious-ish.

[Alice]

@Vulgard

Thoughts on Plague and Hippo?

[Zone_Q11]

@Leafia

You. Don’t you remember?

No. Gorta claims I could be Godfather, but otherwise IDK what Alice is talking about.

[Vulgard]

@Alice

Thoughts on Plague and Hippo?

Idk if you read my post earlier but I posted a readlist where I elaborated on Hippo and PlagueSimp

[Zone_Q11]

…welp, okay.

[WindwardAway]

@Vulgard

I’ve read Beancat’s defense of Leafia again and I flip-flopped on what it means for his alignment, but I think it makes him town. It could be a TMI defense, but for someone in Beancat’s position I don’t think it’s worth it. He has 13 posts at the moment and his defense of Leafia forms the majority of his real content, I don’t see why “Leafia is V” would be his sole hill to die on as mafia (and this is regardless of Leafia’s alignment).

Vulgard said something similar to what I thought about beancat

@Vulgard

@Host_Account_2

|Vulgard|Leafia, Beancat, Zorvo|3/11

Why is it always the people I suspect that wagon me…

…and then backtracks it? Or maybe he just beat Leafia and Zorvo, idk

@Vulgard

I’m honestly not sure why she’s townreading him myself. He called her a wolf, after all. So far, Leafia’s been complaining about everyone calling her a wolf, and Illwei’s wolfread on her is the crux of her wolfread on Illwei. Yet, Leafia made an exception for Marl, and I’m not sure why that is.

More musings

I did have a thought earlier that Leafia could purposely avoid interacting with her partners in order not to spew them as her partners. She’s doubtlessly aware of her reputation as a wolf who TMIs her entire team, and so her attempt to fix it could just be “I won’t talk about them, at most I’ll slap a read on them and move on.” It’d fit her treatment of Marl.

Making reads like this is a bit stupid, because Leafia might be a villager - in which case I can toss all that out of the window. But if she is a wolf, it might be worth considering.

Vulgard questions why Leafia treats Marl differently from Illwei.

@Vulgard

/vote Marluxion @Host_Account_2

I find Achro’s case convincing.

I knew I said I’d peace out until EoD but I feel I need to change my vote here

Vul wouldn’t try to bus Marl so early after theorizing that Leafia is TMIing Marl as town, I don’t think. So Vul probably town?

@Vulgard

I forgot to say this before, but I think Marl/Wind aren’t W/W either. It’s not even just because Marl pushed on Wind, but because of how Wind reacted to the push. It was mostly dismissive and made me think they weren’t doing theater

I take it he’s retracted this lol

@Vulgard

It’s probably a bad sign that I’m reading Alice’s ISO and I find all her takes questionable.

@Vulgard do you find that Alice has improved since when you posted this?

@Vulgard

@Alice

What do you two think about Marl’s ret claim?

I think it’s too early to have come from a wolf. It came many hours away from EoD1, so it’s not like he was desperate and begging for survival. The claim doesn’t even buy him much survival in the first place, because he’ll get yeeted if he doesn’t revive. Which he can’t, if he’s mafia.

In summary, I think that as a wolf, Marl would’ve either claimed later or not at all.

As for whether he would’ve claimed as town - I do have a reason to think that he would have. The problem is that I’m not sure whether I should say it.

Still catching up.

/vote eevee @Host_Account_2

@Alice

Achro/Vul went to Marl, Illwei self-voted, and Wazza is still on Leafia.

Most of the reasoning basically boils down to Marl’s claim being sketchy, tbfh.

I didn’t vote Marl because of his claim being sketchy, I voted Marl because I sheeped Achro’s case on him. A major point of Achro’s case on Marl was that he was TMIng Achro V in their interactions. I read them myself and I agreed at the time, so I voted for Marl. I’m pretty sure he claimed after I voted him, but I don’t remember for sure.

Meh

Don’t like the part about claiming, for obvious reasons

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

ok since eevee is pulling a gambit i’m going to make sure it doesn’t pay off since i basically always die here anyway

I’m mafia

Okay, I unironically think the Marl wagon was pure at its peak if that’s how he felt about the situation. I really didn’t think he’d feel that way, but here we are.

This reminds me I should probably go back and look at wagonomics

@Vulgard

I don’t think Marl ever claims there as mafia unless he’s getting voted by a lot of villagers.

@Host_Account_2

|Marl|Hippo, WindwardAway, Atlas, Vulgard, Leafia, Achromatic|6/11

So, I’m clearing this entire group. The worst vote here is actually Hippo’s because it looks the best which makes it the most likely to come from a bussing wolf, but at the very least I don’t want to go after the other five. And I still think Hippo isn’t necessarily a bussing wolf, so let’s not.

I’m not going to vote Marl because I must vote the claimed 3p on principle.

Again, Vulgard sort of went back on part of this in his SoD readlist today

@Vulgard

I also think Marl outing himself points toward my reading of the game (highposters being generally town) being pretty good, because I think that if he had some louder partners he would not have claimed, expecting them to save him

I think it indicates the opposite
There’s at least one deeper wolf in this game, and it’s probably Vulgard or Alice if I had to pick names off the top of my head
Cause it ain’t me

The thing that gets me is that I agree with a good number of Vulgard’s takes, but I feel like this happened in Gold Rush where he was a wolf and I was town, and literally no one except maybe clonedcheese wanted to push him with me, and I don’t even think we pushed Vulgard at the same time lol.
Anyway my point is that I do acknowledge I tend to mindmeld with Vulgard when he’s a wolf, and idk if that says more about his wolf play or my town play so I’m not clearing him off agreeing with his takes.
Im just debating whether him voting Marl because he liked Achro’s case is clearing enough, or if that doesn’t indicate anything because he moved off of Marl for the ret claim, and then after that it didn’t matter because Marl openwolfed and destroyed any sort of spew we would normally have gotten at EoD.

[WindwardAway]

Note that if it turns out Brad is a wolf, I will probably clear Vulgard

[WindwardAway]

Will look at Brad next, be back later