Happy Tree Friends FM - Game Thread Night 3 13/20

[Vulgard]

Random voting stage. A stage of the game when there’s little to no information and people vote at random and/or shitpost.

[PlagueSimp]

Riiight, so basically day one

[Alice]

Hi Vul. ^_^

[Alice]

@Kiiruma

Also for those townreading me, thank you but also don’t townread me too soon.
I don’t exactly just want to up and die yet.
Although I am just vanilla so

…yeah, from the get-go I feel like this is V!PKR being honest about his role as W!PKR probably wouldn’t claim VT this early being that he kind of relies on mech BS to survive as a wolf.

[PlagueSimp]

@Alice

V!PKR

[Alice]

Fuck, forgot that the wants to be refered to as Kiiruma by now. Sorry as I’m half-asleep.

Replace the name with Kiiruma.

[PlagueSimp]

i thought that was another terminology i didnt know

[Alice]

Gut says that this is V.

Doesn’t really feel TMI-ish and the second read kind of feels quite hedge-y which tends to be a good sign for Leafia. Not really taking this read to the bank yet.

[PlagueSimp]

This game is either gonna end up with me being dead early, or i stay completely useless

[Alice]

@Vulgard

Achromatic seems awkward, and I’m saying that while keeping his newness to this environment in mind.

My main issue irt Achro’s slot is the fact that they kind of just feel like they’re posting but not really engaging with the content and staying to the sidelines, tbh.

It’s kind of hard to explain but they kind of just feel there when a lot of people are making hard stances on Leafia.

@Vulgard

I also thought his handling of me was strange, because he first townread me for villagereading Eliza, but then started shading all my votes and moved on to other slots. It came across as him determining it was too hasty to townread me and trying to walk that back. Admittedly, he can change his mind as a villager, I just don’t understand what caused it. He seems to be solving Leafia and Illwei, but I also don’t see what’s changing his mind in their cases.

Noted. Will re-ISO Achro later when I finish with my catch-up.

[PlagueSimp]

@Alice

they’re posting but not really engaging with the content and staying to the sidelines, tbh.

[Illwei]

Kiiruma is pkr???

[Illwei]

Also i dont agree that achro is on the sidelines but its definitely what i was expecting after seeing him talk in specvhat

[Alice]

@Vulgard

Oh yeah, might as well say this.

Kiiruma, Illwei V. Eliza and Achro leaning V, not putting them fully into the V slot to account for personal bias.

I think Kiiruma has been generally villagery, mostly because he’s been doing his own thing the entire time and I never got the impression his posting had an agenda. Illwei, on the other hand, has been a pretty dominant pushing force, but I can see that she’s scumhunting and not just pushing for the sake of pushing. The first vote she placed on Beancat felt like something I could get behind - I could tell why she placed it - and I can follow most of her thought processes on people pretty well, even though she doesn’t explain them very extensively.

I liked min and Illwei’s interaction in the shitpost stage. It might seem like nothing, but it felt like two villagers’ banter rather than one being a wolf attempting to socialize. Leaning V on min for that one.

I frankly don’t townread Brad, but I’m willing to sheep Illwei on him for the time being.

I think the way Achromatic responded to my vote on him was rather villagery of him, particularly the part that I responded to with a joycat. I also think the seeming awkwardness I mentioned can be explained by some recent events, and largely by this being FoL where we don’t have pages and he knows next to no one. When I look at him with that aspect of his posting removed, I don’t think he’s been wolfy.

I think Eliza opening the game the way she did, by joking about a massclaim, and then moving on to discussing it seriously was fairly villagery for her specifically. I’ve already explained why I townread her talking about a masscalim, and while she did claim it was partly a joke, I think that her talking about it a little more and then abandoning the subject when nobody engaged with her on it felt genuine.

I have two somewhat independent wolfreads on Wazza/Leafia and I’m currently trying to reconcile them.

Musings about Wazza/Leafia

The main thing tripping me up is that Wazza voted Leafia without really explaining it here:

@Wazza

/vote Leafia @ Buddhist_Monkey

me no like

And then, when we interacted, she had this to say:

@Wazza

Pressure and her posting is just jagged, she’s pulling reads out constantly yet they hold no merit and just like Illwei pointed out, they’re usually on useless or fluff posts

@Wazza

And this is an additional add on (although it wasn’t there at the time of the vote)

As wolf, Leafia focuses on the people voting her a lot more than she does focus on other slots

@Vulgard

Why do you think her reads hold no merit?

@Wazza

Have you read them and have you ever played with Leafia before?

I feel like this is unnatural. First off, Illwei was the first player to point out that Leafia was making reads on posts that should not be taken as alignment indicative, here:

@Illwei

again something from leafia which i don’t like

that post from achro is basically filler if you really think about it because he’s not saying anything no one else really already knows and it’s a general meta comment that can be easily townread

it’s not wolfy

it’s just not towny

Wazza initially didn’t react to this. She only voted Leafia later, after Leafia said she was suspicious of me and voted me. Her reasoning for the vote is essentially doubling down on the read Illwei gave first, plus the meta-related add-on of Leafia being more focused on her slot as a wolf.

My problem with this is that I feel like Wazza has unfounded confidence in this read, to the point that I’m suspecting TMI. I liked the way she answered me at the time, but going back to it, I’m not sure why she has so much confidence. She’s essentially implying that Leafia is obvious mafia, but I don’t see what got her there. It seems more like she saw Illwei’s read and decided to piggyback on it because wolf!Leafia probably always dies this game and it’s good to be on the . Or Leafia is a villager and Wazza can always somehow blame Illwei in the future.

The thing that’s tripping me up is that I do think Leafia is independently wolfy. Suspecting Wazza for her Leafia push doesn’t feel entirely right, because I don’t even disagree with the reasoning - but it’s more about how Wazza’s treatment of Leafia looks to me holistically, and how the jump to implying that Leafia is obvious mafia feels unnatural. Yes, I do think Leafia’s posts are wolfy; no, I don’t think it’s natural for a villager to reach that conclusion so quickly, and the timing of it being so soon after Illwei’s initial wolfread on Leafia felt opportunistic to me.

Where does this leave me? I think there’s at least one wolf between Wazza/Leafia, and that they can be W/W, but I also dislike the fact I can’t prevent myself from reading these two associatively and it’s obviously really bad for me to do that if they’re V/V. Still, I’ll probably explore this for a bit more.

Agreeing on Kii/Illwei, tbh.

Don’t think Min’s opening is that AI and Brad kind of feels less energetic than average, tbh. Usually when the latter’s town he’s kind of obvtown so I kind of don’t care much about this slot rn.

Achro is a mixed bag for me rn and I kind of feel like you’re underestimating Eliza’s wolfrange, tbh.

Contrarian opinion on Wazza/Leafia rn, tbh. Said already what I said about the latter earlier but the former feels like they’re likely V. They’re wolfy as either alignment but I feel like their “I don’t give a shit” attitude here looks more like AHiT where they kind of don’t give a shit about the game whether feel the need to powewolf.

[Alice]

It’s hard to explain my read on Achro, but it kind of boils down to the fact that they’re saying a lot but not much of it strikes me as either way.

[Illwei]

That’s valid

[Alice]

/vote Marluxion

[Alice]

@Illwei

So like i think youre pretty wolfy

But also i think im the opposite, where i see posts that feel wolfy but i dont get what would be their wolfy intentions

@Illwei

Wow ok mayb orzo isnt a wolf

Sequence here was like less thana minute apart. The backpedal feels kind of villagery as it seems like it’s info that Illwei proceeded naturally and then adjusted to the new info.

Probably just a villa w/ Kii, tbh.

[Silviu200530]

Don’t forget to ping the monkey account.

[Alice]

Playing Octopath Traveler, tbh.