Hydra Popcorn - Cat Flavor: Day 5 (6/11) - Mafia Win

[2Wolves1Hydra]

Look nerd I did it earlier, I did also say early on and multiple other times I want people just to be able to read me so I don’t have pressure. So I’m taking it back

[2Wolves1Hydra]

I spiritually would shoot lol/dota and then Seth/LP.
I do not want to actually do so

[HoodHeroes]

@HoodHeroes

@Zwelious

I may need to re-evaluate then lol.

To be honest though I decided that your weird post is more up to just bad logic than actual maliciously trying to save a scumbuddy of yours. It’s a bit too obvious of a white knighting for Cheese to be a real thing I expect from Mafia to be honest.

Wait actually I reread this and it’s basically saying either cheese and I are T/T or T/W but not W/W? where do you get this from? It doesn’t sound like you think I’m scum either way but I don’t know how you reached that conclusion. You’re saying we’re not W/W because it’s too bad-looking of a save (when afaik nobody is even pushing cheese) but also saying it’s not w!me/t!cheese because it’s too obvious of a white knight. All the while saying it just seems like bad logic and not malicious intent, which also implies I’m town either way. Why can’t I be a wolf in either situation? These seem like shaky reasons at best that wouldn’t hold up in a vacuum at this point in time.
-ww

This is where I noticed it and called it out

Then their response:

@Zwelious

I initially read your posts on cheese as seemingly W/W. I haven’t been in thread when Cheese has posted, so I’m not 100% sure the context as to why you were posting about Cheese.

The reason it looked W/W is because I don’t see a wolf posting that to a Town player. Wolf defended town in a wolfy manor isn’t something I ever expect and would put more eight in it just being W/W.After you clarified you just didn’t read the OP I realized the reason your post made no sense was not because you were wolf defending a wolf, but because you just don’t read the basics which is more NAI. Hence dropping the wolf read on you.

I also perhaps made that post unclear, but I’m not Town reading you. I just stopped thinking that you were openwolfing. I have no opinion on cheese right now so they could be Town or Wolf idk. You I have a null on right now not 100% where to take it yet. So I definitely didn’t exclude W/W as a possibility. Just that that interaction isn’t 100% indicative that it is W/W not that it could not have possibly been W/W.

And then

@HoodHeroes

It’s super overexplained and hedgy in ways that I really do not think are towny
You’re going to have to do better than that if you want to convince me that’s a real take
-ww

@Zwelious

From where? I really do not see where you are even finding the perspective I was Town reading you. I think it was fairly clear I thought you were openwolfing and realized after the fact you just don’t have good logic.
Having terrible logic is not a Town indicator.

@HoodHeroes

Have you tried reading your own post and the way it’s worded? It’s not at all worded like you have a null on me, it’s worded like you just blatantly TMI’d me town.
-ww

@Zwelious

I don’t think you know what Null or TMI or any of these buzzwords you are using even means

@Zwelious

Weren’t you just arguing that I was Mafia conspiring with Seth to have the same reads?
You’re not actually looking to read me. You’re just looking for a reason to scum read me since you’ve made the argument I am scum for being too calculative with my reads and scum for not being calculative with my reads.

@bingusbongusbangus

I thought you said that windward was town

@Zwelious

This argument is about why windward thinks I was town reading them when I was clearly not

@HoodHeroes

No, I think you’re the ringleader and Seth is doing Seth things.
I think you are textbook wolfy as SoS said, and Seth is just chaotic because he’s Seth. I don’t think you’re being very calculative because you jumped at a reason to call me scum and then immediately retracted it, TMI’d me as town in the explanation post, and then backtracked by hedging and saying it was actually a nullread on me when it sounded nothing of the sort.
You are literally giving wolfy reads on a town slot, so if you want to push me you’re going to have to come up with better arguments to convince everyone tbh
I can and will push you all day long because I’m certain enough that you’re a wolf

@HoodHeroes

Yes they said I was scum and then said I was town, then said “oh wait actually you’re null” and now they’re just omgusing
Classic wolf, yeet

@Zwelious

That post you made, made no sense from a Town perspective. It looked like just blatant openwolfing.
You clarified a few posts later that you didn’t read which I felt made sense as an alternative to openwolfing so dropped the position of it being openwolfing.

That is in no way backtracking.
That is in no way TMIing.
That is in no way hedging.

You have no idea what these words mean.
Right now you come across as someone trying to use big words to sound smart. That is something wolves do.
This combined with how you’re making up reason to scum read me is pretty damn obvious you are looking for any excuse you can to scum read me.
You’re just always wolf here.

Like read this and tell me it’s towny with a serious face

@HoodHeroes

You do realize you’re overexplaining and changing your explanation a bit every time you do it, right?
If you’re actually town - stop doing that.
If you’re a wolf - thanks for making yourself obvious

@Zwelious

You’re the one who mistook “I guess you’re not openwolfing” as a Town read.
You cannot possibly be actually thinking you are making any sense or making any valid points.

@SeaOfStars

@Zwelious

You cannot possibly be actually thinking you are making any sense or making any valid points.

what’s the purpose of this comment?

obviously if they’re a wolf pushing you they know this already

so why say it?

~nova

@HoodHeroes

@Zwelious

You’re the one who mistook “I guess you’re not openwolfing” as a Town read.

Incorrect
I took your very longwinded explanation of “you can’t be defending your partner and you also aren’t whiteknighting a towny” as a townread because if neither of those are true I literally cannot be scum
That is a fault of your wording and I think you slipped.
-ww

@HoodHeroes

@Zwelious

I may need to re-evaluate then lol.

To be honest though I decided that your weird post is more up to just bad logic than actual maliciously trying to save a scumbuddy of yours. It’s a bit too obvious of a white knighting for Cheese to be a real thing I expect from Mafia to be honest.

If anyone can, please give a second opinion on this and tell me where exactly says that Zwelious still thinks I can be scum
Please tell me I’m not imagining this
Also read my original reply to this post
-ww

@HoodHeroes

I mean
It reads like a post coming from Leafia when she’s a wolf tbh
I’m sorry to say that but that is very literally how I interpreted it
-ww

Anyway I think that’s the entire chain of posts I thought was relevant so have at it

[HoodHeroes]

I figured out how to quote all of that without the draft getting deleted finally

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

Btw I’m linking this post to Wazza in case she reaches a different conclusion and wants to comment on it
-ww

[bingusbongusbangus]

I think the only really questionable thing to me is the fact it seems like the backpedaled from thinking that you were town from the post itself, to them misunderstanding the setup

@Zwelious when you get back could you confirm 100% why you weren’t wolfreading hoodheroes anymore?

[HoodHeroes]

No, they said I’m the one who misunderstood the setup (which is correct) and that it’s NAI (which is also correct)
But that post I asked for opinions on, it did seem like they read me as town and then called me null but jumped to scumreading me directly because I kept grilling them about it
Like they were just scrambling for reasons to justify what they said but had some weird inconsistencies due to panicking
But yeah, I’d like to hear their response anyway
-ww

[HoodHeroes]

Let me ask you instead, do you think I’m wolfy for continuing to push their slot with bad reasoning, or what’s your opinion? Because I saw I was in your shot list already so I’m wondering why.
-ww

[bingusbongusbangus]

neutral

leaning towards town but that means I’m mis clearing someone

[2Wolves1Hydra]

Wtf is your shotlist atm anyway?

[bingusbongusbangus]

my lower PoE is probably Jake/Cheese

I can probably swap out cheese for someone else but I don’t really feel like anyone else except maybe Dotaslot is a hit but I won’t be surprised at all if they flip town

[HoodHeroes]

Oh I thought you were the one who said cheese got derp cleared lol
-ww

[2Wolves1Hydra]

Overall I feel like your PoE is alright.
I think you’re misclearing Zwelious but that’s my own bias and reasoning at play
Other than that, honestly I’m surprised to agree so much

[bingusbongusbangus]

if Dotaslot had Emilia in it I would townclear them 100%

and I’m tempted to anyways

[HoodHeroes]

I could very realistically see myself misclearing frank
Maybe I should iso them tonight too
-ww

[HoodHeroes]

I haven’t cleared them but I just haven’t read all that much from them
-ww

[2Wolves1Hydra]

They’re in my outer PoE sorta

[HoodHeroes]

I have to look at thethethe and cheese closely tonight since they’ve been in my priority list anyway for today
Will give an opinion when I do
-ww

[HoodHeroes]

I also want to reexamine G&C but either way I don’t think I’d shoot there today when there are actively more wolfy slots than theirs
So it’s lower priority
-ww

[HoodHeroes]

SoS kind of also low priority
I’m fairly neutral on them, think I said nulltown before, so I don’t have much of an opinion but am less interested in solving them rn than other slots because I think they are capable of making themselves more obvious later
-ww