Jackal Returns - Day 8 (5/20) - TOWN WINS

[jail]

the birds

[Magnus]

@jail

Im also intrigued on how you guys fail to notice the several people putting me at the bottom of their readslists with almost zero actual self evident thought behind it

it is almost as if the push on me is scum motivated

Devil’s advocacy says you’re either town or Jackal-aligned, but practically never Coven-aligned; and therefore it wouldn’t matter whether your push was scum-motivated except as a metric of saving another evil on the block.

But functionally speaking, you are correct. Lemon or Bionic should die today, and TK or Coven can go for you tonight if it feels warranted, there’s not a rush.

[Hazardwaste]

@Marluna

(excluding Jarek and Bionic) People on the jail wagon:
especially @Eve
Where were you during D1’s EOD?
Why you weren’t voting them at that time?

like this line of thinking

[Hazardwaste]

@Magnus

Devil’s advocacy says you’re either town or Jackal-aligned, but practically never Coven-aligned; and therefore it wouldn’t matter whether your push was scum-motivated except as a metric of saving another evil on the block.

can i ask why you think they are town or jackal-alligned?

[Hazardwaste]

is it just due to the amount of people shoving jail in poe?

[Marluna]

I have a feeling the current jail wagon is a scum motivated wagon in response for the lemon wagon.
(which would make jail not coven imo.)

[Magnus]

@Hazardwaste

can i ask why you think they are town or jackal-alligned?

Jail was desperate to live yesterday, but the same urgency was not communicated by the wagon states and I generally townread Canping’s voters at the time (except for Eve, sorta, but that’s neither here nor there).

That’s a brief summary, though.

[Hazardwaste]

@Marluna

I have a feeling the current jail wagon is a scum motivated wagon in response for the lemon wagon.
(which would make jail not coven imo.)

fair point but i feel like the jail wagon started first. then died down again then came back

@Magnus

That’s a brief summary, though.

thats a fair assumption. i will read back on lemon and jail later after dinner

[Marluna]

@Hazardwaste

fair point but i feel like the jail wagon started first. then died down again then came back

that’s why I was talkking about the current wagon.
also no.
jail wagon wasn’t really a thing today before the lemo wagon.
People were talking about him, but until the lemon wagon formed, the conclusion was that it is not worth wasting the time chasing ghosts.

[Magnus]

Jarek is the only slot voting Jail that I currently actively trust, there’s merit to this.
Jail should be pres-voting and the fact they aren’t… doesn’t mean much since they’ll be online by EOD.

[Hazardwaste]

@jail

I am town power

@jail

im ti

@jail

I said tp bc i didnt want to claim anything else yet, but then i straight up didnt care

from my understanding. bless me if i am wrong. jail tried to save himself by claiming town power, gave up and dropped to a Ti.

@jail

I gave poes even and not a single one of you guys interacted with them or gave any sort of input

From what i read your POE was Jarek,Bionic before this message. this whole message chain reads as frustrated and is spurtting out facts that are wrong. “Everyone is voting me” 4 people out of 18 were. and the claim they made many poe’s which i could only realistically find one

@jail

tbe/bionic/daeron/marluna

hazardwaste/icet/jarek

Kelsier/beancat/frost/lol/phraze/sayno

Unless this counted as one but this is 13 out of 18 people alive… which is a hell of a poe

I think day 1 for jail is alot worse the day 2 for jail. specifically at the end of day 1 compared to the current closest messages to this post. day 2 seems to have made jail extremely frustrated which i am trying to decide if its more townie ,covenie or jackalie. following this idea the same thing goes with the TP → TI, i can see all alignments doing this but i feel like as coven would i ever try this then change my claim instantly.

I honestly am still incredibly null on jail. imma check why people are voting them

@Jarek

VOTE: Jail

Now I know you’re full of it

Jarek doesnt like being called a wet noodle which is actually really fair

@Jarek

Starting to get irritated at that comment given I’ve been actually trying

Also this comment is probably town coded for jarek. but lesser so.

@Bionic

VOTE: Jail

@Bionic

VOTE: Jail

Gonna be honest. both votes made by bionic kinda sucked

@Phraze

VOTE: jail

@Phraze

no reason

Hmmmm… no fucking way Phraze says this so blatently as evil but thats 2 people kinda voting Jail for apparent no reason

@beancat

VOTE: Jail

Beancat had reasoning behind their vote. cant really dispute it.

From that quick detour, 1 person is voting jail cause they called him a wet noodle and has been kinda tunneling them, 2 people seem to have no reasoning/sheeping, 1 person presenting reasoning. Like i dont know why jail is being voted for tbh i think its the tunnel on jarek that people dont like? and the TP → TI role switch yesterday.

@Bionic

don’t like their messages

Lied bionic has a basic reason, which tbf is probably more bionic then wall posting. Phraze still literally had no reason except “they think jail is evil”

sorry that took so long. i couldn’t for the life of my iso jail after one attempt. in the end i feel like this has amounted to nothing anyway and i have wasted my time cause i still don’t know what i think of jail. i just honestly am not the biggest fan of their wagon players if that makes sense? some of them kinda just appeared out of nowhere.

[Hazardwaste]

Fuck this post is much bigger then i thought i am so sorry

[Hazardwaste]

@lemon

3 | Eve | Voters: Bionic, Kelsier, bystander

one of these contain a wolf gg ez

zenons law top tier

And i’m already voting Kelsier um…

I caught the wolf gg ez

@lemon

It’s kind of a meme tbh

@lemon

Hater

Zenon Law top tier

VOTE: bystander

@lemon

zenons law isn’t a thing i live by lol, it’s just funny in my opinion

I voted bystander for being boring

@lemon

i’m assuming there’s not an iso feature bc i don’t remember anything from Eve or Kelsier

Bionic i remember fondly having bad progression between reads

this is the series of messages from my understanding is why lemon’s wagon started. i can agree that voting kelsier then saying you have no clue on anything kelsier did is pretty wack. the progression on Bystander

@lemon

bystander lacked activity so i voted her aswell

i can kinda understand. but hiding it under a “Joke” of zenon’s third law is weird

Also off topic my scum lean on frost has improved to a null town. i am still interested tho why i am being ignored by him after the statement he made day 1. Couldnt have be a joke cause

@Frostwolf103

Jokes dont exist, only FM.

[Hazardwaste]

I am ranting to no one help

[Hazardwaste]

someone talk to me so i can work through thoughts

[Hazardwaste]

Oh fuck i just forgot eve. i was following frost’s vote post i am so fucking tired hold on

[Hazardwaste]

@Eve

VOTE: jail i enjoy forcing people to break ties

this gets put into the no reason bin

[Magnus]

Re: Phraze.
The express lack of reasoning sorta comes across as self-indulgent in my mind, not in the personal/emotional way but rather in the “I’m intentionally not saying anything”; a naked vote without justification or blasé reasoning would be what I’d normally expect from a normally introverted individual without much to say. (Consider other votes.)

[Magnus]

Phraze should be scrutinised, but preferably not today since we have enough LHF slots to curb through. Cool.

[Hazardwaste]

i can agree yeah. but it kinda still lays the grounds of 3/5 of the votes dont really have reasons behind them