Last Stand of the Virtuous 5.5 - GAME OVER, UNSEEN AND ANGEL WIN

[Jarek]

@Ash

Wait, can you run me through the logic here?

Carbonated claimed to redirect beancat to themselves (with no kills occuring) , pushing on beancat to save themselves. Beancat ended up being the starting mafia converter (there can only ever be 2 so we’ve killed 1, if we kill the other evils lose out on conversion for the rest of the game)

if carbonated is a convert it simply would have been better for them to just die than do that. They absolutely could still be a neutral who…for some reason claimed this. But that’s not a likely world.

[Zone_Q11]

Ash, I would like for you to understand that if she didn’t flail at EOD, then she would’ve most likely died over beancat. Instead we now have a dead Arbiter. She cannot be evil.

[Jarek]

Furthermore the role carbonated has has a 1-shot death immunity so even if it was a fake-claim they basically either lied or directly implicated their converter in a fake-claim by doing so

it’s just not likely

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

Nope! By my standards, even if they put down all my clues together, then all they would get is a set of seven possible roles. They will never correctly guess my role!

Also bit rude of Beancat to have bled me on Day 2. I thought Kiiruma is the hunter and maybe he stayed at home by N1, would it be shocking to find out if he did in fact moved?

[Kiiruma]

@Zone_Q11

@Kiiruma, how many roles can cause false flips? (I didn’t cover this at N2. I just went under the assumption that beancat’s flip is legit, and we executed the Arbiter by pure chance.)

The Librarian (HoB) for night deaths

I am on mobile, might be missing something.

[Jarek]

I will say carbonated’s reaction around the discovery was a little strange. But they’re not a HOB member, and are at worst a neutral (and we don’t need to kill neutrals to win)

[Ash]

…yeah, that’s probably fair.
Virtuous V is quite punishing for losing a mafia member.

[Zone_Q11]

@Jarek

there can only ever be 2 so we’ve killed 1

Well… Technically three. *looks at the King*

[Jarek]

@Zone_Q11

Well… Technically three. looks at the King

The king can’t become the arbiter

[Jarek]

@LastAssassin

At the start of the game, grant a member of the Hand of Byzantium Champion’s Succession . There can never be a third Arbiter by any means.

so if we kill the arbiter again then there’s no more conversion

[Daeron]

Special thanks to Achromatic for sheeping me on beancat & progressing the thread I led which, of course, led to the Arbiter being executed

[Frostwolf103]

@Frostwolf103

@Zone_Q11

Nope! By my standards, even if they put down all my clues together, then all they would get is a set of seven possible roles. They will never correctly guess my role!

Also bit rude of Beancat to have bled me on Day 2. I thought Kiiruma is the hunter and maybe he stayed at home by N1, would it be shocking to find out if he did in fact moved?

Well actually, the HoB version cant even bleed so shrug

[Jarek]

You’re stealing my credit for this you will die

[Ash]

This is the new Drama Mill thread.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

Also bit rude of Beancat to have bled me on Day 2.

Oh yeah. Speaking about that, it sure would suck for HoB if I got occupation immunity, huh?

[Frostwolf103]

But why?

[Jarek]

I’d like whoever has the death card to use it sooner rather than later but it’s up to them not me so

[Zone_Q11]

Welp. beancat died by execution, so I’m going to assume her flip wasn’t falsified, and we are dealing with HoB +/- Neutral.

[Daeron]

@LastAssassin

• The Hand of Byzantium have access to an assigned and multitaskable factional kill.
• • Natural (e.g. it is your own passive) occupation and redirection immunity does not apply to the factional kill if the player with the immunity is performing it, but still applies to any other used abilities by that player.

btw beancat did get redirected

[Zone_Q11]

@Jarek

@Zone_Q11

Well… Technically three. looks at the King

The king can’t become the arbiter

No, but what if the Arbiter becomes King?

@LastAssassin

• At the start of the game, grant a member of the Hand of Byzantium Champion’s Succession . There can never be a third Arbiter by any means.

Champion’s Succession (Passive) - If the Arbiter dies or changes classes, you will become the new Arbiter . Pass this onto the oldest non- Arbiter Hand of Byzantium member if you become King. (This ability is part of your role card and appears on your flip, which means it can also be forged).