Netrunner Mafia - Game Over: Mala Tempora

[Kanave]

@Vulgard

These points in particular feel like you have TMI on the slots. Now that I used this term when arguing that someone is a wolf, you’re probably town, but still. I don’t know how you got that?

I don’t like how Vulgard keeps tacking on that they’ve been wrong recently to all their reads. I get that its rough to be on a losing streak with reads but i think its still +EV for us to ignore that voice in the backs of our heads saying we cant do anything right

[Kanave]

@Ashlyn

It very obviously seems like a meme post, but I just don’t like the idea of the early shade being pushed out under the guise of it being a joke

I’m quite literally town reading arctic

@Ashlyn

or it’s just an overall useless post if it’s coming from town

i deadass accidently hit send part way through and was going to have the vote be in the same message but didn’t bother explaining that at the time bc i didn’t think the post mattered

@Ashlyn

then this response is purely just damage mitigation, and there’s really no other way to look at it. its just an “oh im sorry tee hee”

I’m being wolf read for explaining something that you yourself said is very obviously a memepost

@Ashlyn

It very obviously seems like a meme post,

and you want me to not point out that it was a joke, especially after

@Dum

alternatively, they both typed at the same time and “it can be” is the easiest way to reply to that.

But yknow this is mafia so the simple explanation is never the case

someone else had ALREADY shown to not have understood it was a joke

[Arctic]

ashlyn’s case on kanave feels like a classic town ashlyn post so i’m pretty firm on not killing her today now

i don’t really agree with the case though. i think a lot of the awkward jokes and weird self-awareness are things that kanave does normally and it’s very easily to incorrectly wolfread them for it. an example from pathological invitational:

@Kanave

theres a difference between bad content and no content
for example i have no content :D

@Arctic

i feel like a wolf probably doesn’t say this at eod lmao

@Kanave

a wolf looking for 3 more posts of content to make would
thankfully im already at postmin

i think they have been more memey this game but i don’t think it’s something i would choose to read them from

[Kanave]

@Magnus

From what I remember of her, Kanave was active in Morbtainado (as Town) and slanked in Love Is War (executed D1, wolf). This probably isn’t AI, given how Kanave supposedly slanked in Pathological, but I figured I’d point it out.

Slanking is more due to irl motiviation than anything ai, Love is war i wanted to play but felt like utter shit first half of the day then missed my alarm the next

[Kanave]

@Arctic

huh
why are you reading eliza on postcount? she posts either the same amount or more as scum

I think they meant that in a “no real loss if they get misvoted” kind of way

[Kanave]

VOTE: Flygon

[Kanave]

@Arctic

this post kind of worries me… it’s basically exploiting wifom in a way that’s lamist. the fact you have an awareness of all the things you’re doing with respect to pushing guava over flygon kind of removes any reason to townread you for it, it feels almost calculated so that you could make this post

i don’t know if i’d say it’s actually wolfy because i make similarly founded defences of myself as town, but i can at least now understand why every time i do it people say it’s wolfy lmao

tbh I think its wolfy, its definitely atleast enough for me to drop my tr on them

[Arctic]

@Kanave

tbf you haven’t pushed me yet, maybe start deathpushing me and I’ll just slip and out as wolf

it costs you nothing to not make posts like this if you are town
(if you’re a wolf please continue)

anyway, i think a bigger concern with kanave is that their focus felt extremely narrow early on until they started talking about other slots recently, and their solving has mostly been lacking nuance or anything in depth, but i think their recent take on flygon is okay

@Kanave can you go in depth on what you find towny about squirrel, vulgard and caspore (looking at your last readlist, if any of these reads have changed since then you could explain why instead)

[Magnus]

@Arctic

it costs you nothing to not make posts like this if you are town
(if you’re a wolf please continue)

The trick is to intentionally act out in suspicious ways as Town, without actually going so far as to throw or anything, in order to make suspicious behaviour in of itself NAI and to make your wolfgame look comparatively better.
This is not good advice.

[Arctic]

honestly tanking your towngame so wolfing becomes easier isn’t something entirely unheard of around here

i suspected kiiruma of doing this and someone told me he did in fact used to do it

either way i feel like it’s probably stupid to make your experience in 75% of your games worse to make it easier 25% of the time (i stole this quote from vulgard)

[Dum]

@Magnus

The trick is to intentionally act out in suspicious ways as Town, without actually going so far as to throw or anything, in order to make suspicious behaviour in of itself NAI and to make your wolfgame look comparatively better.
This is not good advice.

This is stellar advice, but its unfun to do and just a way arround getting good.

[Magnus]

I dunno, I think I’ve done pretty well thus far. I’m the resident tinfoil wolf in every game I play.

[Dum]

@Magnus

I dunno, I think I’ve done pretty well thus far. I’m the resident tinfoil wolf in every game I play.

oh yeah, you certainly have. Its just not something i would do because i heavily prefer a town rand over a wolf rand, so i would never sacrifice my time as town for the purpose of a better time when randing woof

[Arctic]

oh hey i forgot dum was in this game
do you have any more reads for us or

[Magnus]

I have never intentionally tried to make myself look scummy. It just happens on a micro scale.

[Kanave]

Squirel was mostly goodwill from their early posting

Vulgard I’m a bit torn on their more recent posts, namely as i pointed out their “I’ve been wrong recently so this is probably wrong” is anti-town, but it seems to be coming more from frustration than being faked or malicious. Besides that I’ve liked their solving and pressure, such as when they voted Ashlyn to try to get more from them (even if i obv disagree with the conclusion they ended up agreeing with from her)

@Vulgard

I genuinely have no idea how you’re able to confidently read her for her posting. It rightfully confused a lot of people, but you’re both quite confident and quite adamant that she is town.

For example here i like the solving and arguement against Shending (even if the second part of that post has the self doubt i mentioned earlier )

Caspore I actually dropped the TR on them, partly due to your analysis of their wall and then just rereading their posts and not really seeing what i had TR them for before (obvious the way i look at them after thinking they might be sus is going to be different but eh nothing I ca really do about that if its how they read now)

[Kanave]

i need to sleep now, I’ll set an alarm for ~40ish min before eod but sadly 11am is way before i’ve been waking up recently so imma be tired as fuck but ill be there (I have to get up earlyish for something else anyways dw im not ruining my sleep “schedule” just for you guys)

[Magnus]

Flygon (3): ElizaThePsycho, guavagudetama, Kanave
Kanave (3): Caspore, Ashlyn, Vulgard
Caspore (1): NinjaPenguin
Arctic (1): Flygon

Not Voting (5): Dum, Magnus, Shending_Help, Squirrel2412, Arctic

I’m not sure I agree with any of these wagons, tbh. Would it be mean to consolidate on Dum this early on?
I don’t even really scumread Dum, it’s just a weird vibe.

[Arctic]

people have hardly talked about dum so i don’t think killing him would be very useful… as far as alignment goes, idk, still feels rand-ish to me

magnus, you know who flygon is right? i get that they’re using an alt so the importance of meta is diminished but sometimes there are fundamental tells that players just don’t change, so i want to know if you think they’re playing more like wolf them or town them

i… don’t really want to impose this standard on someone because i feel like it risks undermining their recent effort to improve but i feel like how flygon has become more open to the idea of being wrong on eliza despite her not really doing anything recently to warrant is uncharacteristic for him… it sucks to say this but i don’t think he has any passionate wolfreads right now and i think that’s wolfy for him. i think his handling of eliza makes sense to come from a wolf following how the thread consensus is shifting on eliza and adapting accordingly rather than being a natural motion. i wanted to avoid saying this because in the case that i’m wrong here saying this is likely to incite some sort of hell tunnel or chaos/toxicity in general, but it’s been on my mind

[Dum]

@Magnus

Would it be mean to consolidate on Dum this early on?

yes