Omega Strikers FM - Saboteurs and Dissenter Win

[Juliette]

I guess if you both could respond to my thoughts/perspective overall, that would be great!

I will be back tomorrow and attempt to read up more and will be around for when we decide to ultimately come together and kill someone.

[Juliette]

Could you specify which ones so I could keep tabs on them as well when we cross reference?

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[Atlas_OS (Atlas)]

Yes.

I find it inconsequential. Competitors can say things like that easily enough. I don’t find it particularly engaging towards either alignment.

[Atlas_OS (Atlas)]

Era competitor read.
You competitor read.
Ai.Mi saboteur read.

Those were the three primary ones that reading over your posts I felt good about my thoughts there again.

[Era]

@Juliette

since it would be optimal for me to bounce around your reads, what are your current reads on X?

I had him as town earlier, but he has significantly dropped off and I alluded to that earlier… I asked him directly if he was planning to participate more, and apparently he isn’t. The towniness of his comments has also fallen off a cliff.

@Atlas_OS

X is in my pile of people who I could disqualify at this moment. No smoking gun read for sussing them but they have been unable to provide anything to maintain my read on them.

More or less the same for me as well.

[Era]

@Rune

I don’t think pushing Juliette is an easy thing for a wolf to do here so, that’s a refreshing opinion to hear.

@Rune

Trying to see if a lynch on anyone not named Era makes more sense.

@Rune

I’m okay with lynching in Juliette, Ai.mi, Era or Dubu. I think I’ve iso’d everyone now.

@Rune

I went through just about everyone’s ISO and I can point to at least one thing people have done to seem remotely towny, except Juliette and Ai.mi. Both ask questions in a way that seems to distract and obfuscate the thread, sometimes their questions don’t even make sense or feel out of place. On one hand it could be inquisitive towny behavior and on the other, a wolf is flooding the thread to keep town off balance. I’m not really sure what I’m dealing with here.

@Rune

I’m gonna chalk up a lot of the Kai voting to directionless boredom.

@Rune

Still think we vote in the four I mentioned earlier. Era, Ai.mi, Dubu, Juliette because (despite it being like 1/3rd of the lobby) I’m confident it contains scum.

Looking at Rune’s ISO again, I’m deeply dissatisfied with the quality of his reads… he’s just picking viable kills rather than actual scumreads. He doesn’t seem to be engaged in any wagons or pushes so far, and his longer post about his grouping of four has questionable reasoning (“Juliette and Ai.Mi are obfuscating the thread, which could be inquisitive town but also could be wolf flooding the thread”). I think framing it that way is wolfy.

Thoughts? I would also appreciate some commentary on my Dubu read, because I think he’s getting written off as NAI when his gameplay is actually scummy at this point.

[Era]

I think Ai.Mi’s posts are fine outside of the push on me; I feel like she is really trying to get me disqualified when I think I’ve been quite towny and several people see it. She’s clinging to the fact I’m playing a role (which I admitted early into the game) and to the fact I backed off Estelle, when it was just an example of me changing my mind a few times based on new information. A point of mine gets countered, I unvote, I mull it over. Atlas starts talking about the slot again, I reconsider if my case was actually countered there, I vote. I think Estelle starts posting towny, I unvote. I think all of that is normal, and Ai.Mi has been trying to frame it as if it’s not, as if it’s something I’m doing deliberately as a pretender…

[Era]

@Kai_OS

VOTE:Ai.mi

right i gotta vote

remember this counts for 2

@Kai_OS

VOTE: Ai.Mi

@Kai_OS

ok i give up. i’ll read how to vote later

Mm… why did you not care about your vote being properly placed? You were almost hammered…

@Kai_OS

Have you read thwir posts?

Why would i bother enganging with them? Its a waste of time and braincells

I’m not sure how to read into this assessment of Juno. I understand why it exists; I don’t know if it’s alignment indicative.

[Era]

I’ll be honest, I’m reconsidering how suspicious the Kai wagon actually is when I’m reading his posts again. He seems like he’s forcing himself to be interested in the game.

[Era]

I still dislike the way the wagon has been treated, but I definitely have some issues with Kai.

[Era]

Ai.Mi, Atlas, Drekar, Dubu, Estelle, Juliette, Juno, Kai, Luna, Rune, X

Towncore: Atlas, Juliette, Luna
Town leaning: Drekar (trusting others on that one, though I’m still somewhat in doubt), Estelle, Juno
Everyone else: Ai.Mi, Dubu, Kai, Rune, X

I feel like my readlist resembles sort by postcount too closely to be correct, but… I do think the highposters are towny outside of the fact they are highposting. Drekar is the only one I’m doubting, and I did notice his dropoff.

I’m okay with disqualifying in the bottom five, and unless the game is hard, that grouping should contain both saboteurs, I think. It’s not an ideal grouping, because it is too large… honestly, I would like a parity cop check from Ai.Mi to sort that out a little better, even though she could lie about its results as a saboteur.

[Era]

Oh, right, there was that part where Juno was saying that Kai calling himself the optimal day 1 elim was wolfy… I don’t really understand that part, either. It’s just a fact, now that I think about it. Kai’s role is definitely the least useful now and the most potent late into the game, so removing that variable would be mechanically correct for fear of a saboteur having that role and sniping a vote…

I feel like I mistakenly said something about Juno earlier that she didn’t actually claim. I’m sorry about that. I make mistakes like that more often than I would like to admit, and it likely only generates confusion.

[Era]

Is this about the fact a competitor wouldn’t want to be eliminated with that role, while a saboteur having it could play that card for town credit? I suppose I could see that…

…I’m not going a good job having Juno answer that question for me, am I.

[Era]

I want to commit to Dubu here. Please let me know what you think when you’re around.

@Era

I think I would still disqualify Dubu. The way he approached the Kai wagon screamed of indifference and he’s had no other impact on the game… I guess he could be a competitor playing like this, but I really feel like he’d have started taking things seriously by now if he were one. He’d at least try to be towny… And while you might claim that he wouldn’t be playing like this as a saboteur, I think it’s possible this is a polarized player who randed antitown and can’t play it well, therefore trying to coast instead. Let me know what you think about this…

Here is the reasoning.

[Luna]

I need to reread this later

I kinda think we have wagoned one wolf in Estelle/Kai but I need to reevaluate the former. She felt like a hit on the first night when Atlas, Era and Juliette were all voting her and I don’t know if she’s done enough to slip my POE

Rune can go and I wouldn’t bat an eye

Dubu I actually think likelier to be competitor and I would find it annoying if he flipped as such over the aforementioned because I think at the very least he’ll be readable later but this is part personal bias

I’ll be more engaged tn after work

[Juno]

Caught for the wrong reasons

[Juno]

Pretty interesting that you are so confident I won’t be helpful to the village when you supposedly have no information on Estelle’s alignment. Even if you’re town, you should be considering the possibility that I am 1 for 2 on my pushes which is hardly unhelpful…

Your posts just reek with TMI.

[Juno]

Ah I see… you can’t refute my points so you haughtily declare that you’ll be ignoring me. Good stuff.

[Juno]

Don’t use TWTBAW, it’s a shit read.

[Juno]

It’s like a murder mystery where the detective found fingerprints on the weapon and one of the suspects immediately jumps forward to explain why fingerprint evidence is overrated and shouldn’t be trusted. I’m sure you can see why that is suspicious.