Paradox Hazard - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY!

[Hazardwaste]

to be completely honnest

[ash4fun]

First of all, I must regretfully inform you that I am not in fact a mafia 1-shot janitor. It was a fun bit, but I realized halfway through that it makes it difficult to actually give any read or anything in a serious way. I may pull it back out for a quick quip but I can’t keep it the whole game :(

With that said,

@ash4fun

I mean, you [leafia] do feel wolfy, so maybe you can be an honorary wolf? :D

is an actual read. Between the immediate claim and noncommittal read on me, feels wolfy. Then again, I vaguely remember frequently pushing on leafia in the past on what turned out to be playstyle, and I can’t remember if this is the same. So I feel confident (as much as one can D1), but if checks playerlist for other names I recognize chloe could remind me if this is typical V!leafia that’d be great. But still, as a player with a role, I spent a fair bit of time thinking of possible +town fakeclaims and getting information about my role. At the very least, while I’m glad we found out that vanillized claim triggers anticlaim, I’m a bit dissappointed that she claimed just to reveal “someone might get vanillized”.

My only other read is ash, slightly >rand wolf for basically piggybacking/copying my entrance, even though I guess I kinda invited him to.

Aaaand now the great catch-up begins, a nice managable 200 or so. Starting at 2024-04-28T04:19:00Z, lessgo

Hi, welcome to the thread @/Memekingpizza and @/catbae

@catbae

taking on the qualifier here feels like it has some nervous energy

@Ash

I would prefer to not have to deal with someone coming after me two weeks in for a joke vote by taking it completely out of context.
I also wasn’t entirely sure if people would jump on the joke with me, so it’s just a “makes my life easier” thing.

@Chloe

tbh i had the same gut reaction but after some thought i think that’s just an Ash thing? The compulsion to clarify stuff like that
Kinda arete-like

I’d like to believe this, but also my head wants to tunnel ash/chloe w/w instead. Can anyone else who’s played with ash confirm this?

@Memekingpizza

Everyone claims town. I guess there is no mafia.

wrong, I already told y’all I’m the mafia janitor

@Chloe

My vote on ash4 isn’t a meme - I thought she was claiming jailor, which is anti-town and encourages other ppl to do the same

So even though the reason for my vote was invalid cuz she was memeing, I’ve just kept my vote there because i don’t feel like moving it yet - no better ideas rn

Didn’t react atm, but I feel like calling out their own misread (literally and figuratively) is likely >rand town. I’ma keep watching this slot tho.

@tutuu

Well would you look at that:

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True Majority FM - GAME OVER - Town Victory! - #1384 by Host_Account_1

This is the exact same role Zone_Q11 used in one of his previous games, as a Mafia role

That isn’t to say that it has to necessarily be a mafia role again. But that is quite funny that he reused the exact same role. I see you @Zone_Q11

Well that’s a wrinkle. I thought this claim had to be fake considering t and w wincons and mechanics. But I’d still like to know why @leafia. Unless zone is actually just lazy

@tutuu

the wording

“town or mafia”

seems a bit silly. goofy. Like … Leafia tone. Not quite Zone’s tone

I mean, you are supposed to paraphrase all private communications. If this role is real, it probably says “regardless of alignment”, or was clarified by leafia in pm. Your explanation of w!leafia with that role also makes sense. Still don’t understand why she’d claim as v tho

@tutuu

@tutuu

I also don’t know why Leafia thought the anti-claim is weak. We don’t know what the anti-claim is, it’s hidden in the OP

Very well, nevermind about this. It was public information. I jumped the horse a little!

@bystander

ok tutuu is town

I think I agree with this for mostly the same reason as with chloe. tutuu’s first posts were a bit off-putting but like in an intentional way, I like this tutuu a bit more.

Idk much about bystander’s usual posting style, but this also feels not w/v on them.

@Leafia

This is beyond dumb. First, I didn’t even know Zone had used a very similar role to mine previously.

Second, I literally never claim like this this early as scum, which I even pointed out in the BG3 game, where I was town.

Third, it was +ev for me to claim here as town and -ev if I was mafia. Because if I was a wolf, by claiming, I’d be getting rid of the ability to jst anticlaim people that got vanillaized.

Fourth, it literally explains what the anticlaim is in the OP.

Like I said, I’m glad we figured that out but you claimed without any idea that your vanillization and the anticlaim interact. If you truly didn’t know about the role in the other game (someone verify she wasn’t spec) then that only leaves tutuu’s w explanation and v.

I read the rest of chloe/tutuu/leafia, I like tutuu, and chloe/leafia w/v feels most likely. self-meta ick tho

@bystander

ok leafia v tutu v

I hate that I keep agreeing with you when all I can remember from you is “[username] [w/v]”

@Chloe

hazard’s tone at the start felt so dead and i didnt like it and i never mentioned it cuz i was waiting for more posts then they didnt post more then i forgot then i just remember because this

This post/idea feels important, but I’ll have to come back to it later

@bystander

VOTE: unvote d[unvote]unvote[/unvote]

@bystander

i think i fucked that up

Okay this made me laugh wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hard

@Chloe

she hasnt played in years i don’t think
i don’t think anyone on this pl knows her - in fact i might be the only one who has played with her before? but i remember nothing of her meta or personality

yw!

you and leafia, and I think maybe once with marl and frostwolf (maybe also someone, idk)

@tutuu

Yeah I’m pretty sure she’s town who just doesn’t care about dying and is non-chalant about (jokingly) openwolfing. And then the mech discussion. Like it’s all chill. I sense zero fear in her heart.

you know, I wasn’t actually planning to do the bit that long. I was trying to make a joke that my and ash’s names are so similar (I think in all previous games, I’m mostly called ash). I figured people would figure it our or not, vote me or ash, and then figure out how to call us both. But a) that mostly doesn’t seem to be a problem, and b) ash then said we were wolves together, and thus a bit was born.

@bystander

ok tell me my alignemnt now

more posts in this interaction, but leaning bystander w rn

@Memekingpizza

There’s something I’m wondering about the role I got and I wonder if it’s just flavor but it seems out there.

Saw this, you can almost certainly ask in your rolecard if any mechanics interact with it. But I have a hunch, is it a 3-digit number? (If so, don’t tr me for it, w!me probably has the same in their rolecard or a fakeclaim. But I tr mentioning it in-thread. Also don’t reveal it unless you get confimation it’s fully flavor; if it is it’s probably safe from anti-claim)

@bystander

i dont wolfread u i just wanted to hear what u would say anyways bc i thought it was bad

wtf is this VOTE: bystander

@Chloe

Also my read that marluna was villagery for remaining in the thread has sorta died off a bit now that ive noticed its literally all mech talk

chloe has been very present with reading etc., and it seems plausibly villagery. I don’t think I’ll change my lean, but I’ll hold off until more discussion and/or a couple flips before going after this slot.

It is now 2024-04-28T05:31:00Z and I am going to bed soon. i can’t wait to do this all again tomorrow morning!

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addendum: I’ve just realized halfway through that a handful of my reads I wanna say “but I wanna see how their read on Y develops” but can’t becuase then the wolves will write a pulitzer-winning character arc for themselves on Y. So if I put it in an addendum maybe I can give them too much work (while townies, just be a townie on your reads, we’ll figure it out TM).

[catbae]

@Leafia

So you don’t want people with limited use abilities to get more uses? It also has a secondary effect in proving that I’m telling the truth as well.

I don’t think people being open about that sort of thing is a good idea, that’s all

[catbae]

tutuu seems very town imo - whole bit of digging up past games to do research on leafia’s claim, the jumping the gun on suspicion of leafia, very believable thought process, going the extra mile in way that show reals care etc etc

[catbae]

hRM

[catbae]

went to give Hazard a skim after Chloe’s vote and he seems aggressively null, probably just going to wait and see there

[catbae]

you are the mafia, there, i did it

[catbae]

VOTE: bystander

[catbae]

funny thing is i actually had similar concerns as tutuu about Chloe - the intro bit about “oh i have a read but i’m not gonna say it just yet” felt a bit performative and it’s something i’ve leaned on as mafi, even though i agree wth marluna being town the reasoning for it did not resonate with me (the stuff about her being carefree). vote on ash4fun felt a bit over-reactive. but that’s kind of early game stuff and my inclination was to give her space anyway because if i push her and it’s wrong it’s a big waste of time when my attention could be elsewhere. i think the response to tutuu is fine so i will continue to let her do her thing

[catbae]

LMAO

[catbae]

if you don’t find leafia immediately outing her role in the face of anticlaim funny that is your loss tbh

[Memekingpizza]

Rereading some of the mechanics in the game. This game gimmick is paradox hazards which means most if not all our roles might mess with each other causing stuff to not resolve. This means the mafia gets their funny vigi kill much faster. So for the next night do we want to claim if we are in a paradox hazard to gauge the amount of ammo they have?

[catbae]

memekingpizza probs just a lost townie

ash4fun’s catchup looks alright but it’s almost 3 AM so i have to stop

not really seeing the bystander townnreads - she feels altogether muted to me this game and the whole argument with tutuu felt contribed like she was looking for something inconsequential to make a big deal of

[Memekingpizza]

I don’t know if i should take that as an insult or be okay with that read.

[Hazardwaste]

lost townie isnt an insult. just someone who is confused.

[Frostwolf103]

@Marluna

Read Leafia’s claim.

I am reading now, the ability would be spend before night 1 started. Leafia want a trusting player.

[Frostwolf103]

@Leafia

@catbae

this is townie but i don’t think people need to claim

even aside from the explicit anticlaim mechanics outing more info is not helpful and mafia can have counterplay to knowin people’s roles

so just, like, don’t

So you don’t want people with limited use abilities to get more uses? It also has a secondary effect in proving that I’m telling the truth as well.

Thats not what Catbae meant by this, Leafia.

Giving your shot to player that seems towny and powerful, may be eliminated on first night easily.

[tutuu]

UNVOTE

Okay fine. I liked those catbae posts

[tutuu]

VOTE: Frostwolf

Get his ass

[eaves]

Hi, time for me to get to reading