Paradox Hazard - GAME OVER - MAFIA VICTORY!

[Chloe]

aight now that catbae has replied,

i honestly i feel like you were probably actually roleblocked and just reflexively claimed it regardless of alignment
and those reasons are all ad-hoc explanations
which, is wolfy lol

[Chloe]

idk if ad hoc is the right word actuallky
brain is shutting down
but those are reasons you made up after the fact

[Someone]

I did think everyone would get the message, but I didnt want to say it initially before I considered what could have caused the roleblock. I also thought it was unlikely for me to be roleblocked by somebody picking me tho cuz it was super odd so thats what led me to say it

[Chloe]

post hoc

[Someone]

I dont think I would be picked by somebody its odd like a good number of ppl prob forgot I was in the game at all

[Someone]

its not, im just saying its one or more of those 4, and I dont want to say which one cuz it does risk leaking to much info

[ash4fun]

Just looked this up for myself

ad hoc = “as needed”
post hoc = “occuring after”

probably either is fine, maybe post hoc is better

[Someone]

Like that is why I didnt say what I did or clarify any more

[Marluna]

@Chloe

You said earlier that you think ash4 was a wolf trying to save his partner though, so this confuses me. In my mind the chain would be the other way around - ash4 first, then Hazzy if he’s red

When I made the vote, I was sure the way I am doing makes more sense, but I really don’t know why anymore.

But comparing the two arguments I had D2. (One with Ash4, and one with Hazard, if you can even tell the second one as an argument.)

I now think Ash4 is less likely to be the wolf among the two, compared what I thought start of D2.

[Chloe]

@Marluna

I now think Ash4 is less likely to be the wolf among the two, compared what I thought start of D2.

Why so?

[Marluna]

Ash4 was debating, how he came to the conclusion during Eod. (Even though I am not agreeing with his process.)

While Hazard just quoted one line, which only confirmed that I am wrong on a surface level, but didn’t go into the details. (While he debunked the Ash/Hazard world, it was more important for him to be me being wrong, than proving himself as a town.)

I think the first one is a more towny mindset than the second one.

[Chloe]

I’ll read that ehen i wake up
Gn

[Hazardwaste]

@Chloe

i will haunt anyone who tries to kill memekingpizza

i told you they were fucking awesome

[Hazardwaste]

i had like… not even a re read tbh i kinda just saw words. my brain isnt functioning tonight. been out 6am - 6pm and i wanna curl up in a ball and sleep lol. I’ll eat some dinner and have a brain break then proper re read

[Hazardwaste]

@Chloe

Fwiw i do agree with this, and my suspicions there are enforced by the fact that she’s been pushing solely Hazard today, when her read is that Hazard and ash4 are w/w… because of things that ash4 did. It feels like an excuse to push Hazard - she hasn’t even brought up any individual posts from him that make her think he’s a wolf. The case is simply that she thinks ash4 was trying to save him, as far as i can tell

yeah i wasnt really comfortable with that push at all so i tried to prod her for more info but then she just stopped

@catbae

wow i hate this

i fully miss this but i agree with catbae

@Marluna

Ash4 was debating, how he came to the conclusion during Eod. (Even though I am not agreeing with his process.)

While Hazard just quoted one line, which only confirmed that I am wrong on a surface level, but didn’t go into the details. (While he debunked the Ash/Hazard world, it was more important for him to be me being wrong, than proving himself as a town.)

I think the first one is a more towny mindset than the second one.

i mean i cant really defend much when you dont give me anything to defend? when i asked why the post you said “Because ash4” and like… what? you also just dipped as soon as i posted that “quote”

I think everyone is asleep so imma use this time to brain break a bit more lol. but when someone comes on please ping me cause shouting into nothingness is really bloody boring. i wanna iso Ash/marluna atm tho

[Hazardwaste]

@Someone

I got no problem being night killed

@Someone

Like I would argue im prob more sus then average so its fine

like idk this doesnt feel like how someone would usually play this situation. but thats a vibe read. i feel like he would defend what he did alot more rather then “Well ooops”. Again tho pure vibes nothing i wanna soully base a read on

@Someone

I mean I would appreciate not being roleblocked tho its really annoying

idk i shouldnt keep posting messages about vibes

@Someone

Bro look at what you have said the entire game

@Someone

Then you say stuff like this and proceed to not do anything with said read

@Someone

And the Marluna proceeds to ignore you, like that is so wack

This feels like the usual someone. but like this is the only post i can vibe read someone as town. his other posts dont really hold substance and kinda just either defend.

Outside his push for Marluna/ash that is

@Someone

Ash/Marluna is weird tho idk how to feel about it, feels almost like both of them want credit for susing/being sused the other one but neither want to vote each other.

@Someone

And the Marluna proceeds to ignore you, like that is so wack

which i dont think he has outwardly said but has very heavily hinted that he thinks they are w/w which i personally dont know why they are hinting at it rather then outwardly saying it. honestly this point means nothing if i really think about it.

[Host_Account_1]

Votecount as of post #1356

Marluna (3): Chloe, catbae, ash4fun
Ash (2): Leafia, Someone
Hazardwaste (1): Marluna
Someone (1): eaves

Not Voting (4): Ash, Memekingpizza, Hazardwaste, bystander

[Hazardwaste]

@Ash

I mean, my priority is to just mess around on D1

@Ash

No?
I’m competitive, and it’s why I often death-tunnel people later into the game (see Ritual Mafia as one of the worst examples). I’m not surprised people are trying to make reads early on; I’m just surprised at how fast people will go, “Here’s my reads list of every single person in the game and what I think their alignment is.”

like these two messages dont mix. these two messages dont match. i think i have repeated myself but like “I am just mucking around on day 1” feels like a cop out to not do anything, when he specifically says later on he is actually competitive.

@Ash

I don’t friggin’ know.

I’m trying to define “competitive” in the context of a mafia game, and it’s hard to do that outside of example: “I broke down crying after getting a town miskilled in a QBCord game”, “Ritual Mafia nearly made me throw a chair through a window and forced me to wander around for an hour and a half to cool down and process it”, “30 made me dedicate hours to reading code documentation so I can solve a card game”, stuff like that. I was trying to simplify it in a hurry.

ya ok you know… i kinda understand what your going for.

From his reads on day 1, Putting frost in null town and then kinda just leaving them there while he was the biggest vote in the game felt weird. like didnt even try to suggest someone else. he just yet it happen.

@Ash

The one that really stood out to me as towny was, ironically, the “ugh” that makes Chloe scumread Bystander, alongside that surrounding conversation. Their reactions feel natural, even if they’re not actively adding this to the conversation.

… what?

@Ash

Fair enough, I suppose. I haven’t given this game the time it deserves.
I’ll draft up a legacy at not 3 in the morning, but it’s not changed much from what I’ve stated.

oh fuck ended on something i actually see as townie.

@Ash

I’d advise you do the same.

but this feels like a threat XD

Ash is weird i had it locked in my mind for like most of his iso I was just going to vote him out of just not really holding substance to anything and kind of just making vibe reads and not doing anything about them. I feel like though mafia ash wouldn’t just give in like that unless he is pulling some decent theatre… fuck idk but i dont really see him giving in as town either like i didnt expect him to really do it at all.

[Hazardwaste]

@Hazardwaste

Ash is weird i had it locked in my mind for like most of his iso I was just going to vote him out of just not really holding substance to anything and kind of just making vibe reads and not doing anything about them. I feel like though mafia ash wouldn’t just give in like that unless he is pulling some decent theatre… fuck idk but i dont really see him giving in as town either like i didnt expect him to really do it at all.

actually this then comes into question his competitiveness line. from his examples he gets really into games (Which i am also a very big victim for and i really wish i didnt) but idk this means nothing i am talking for the sake of talking. the void is boring

[Hazardwaste]

I wanna ISO marluna as well

@Marluna

If I understood correctly from Zone’s example, guessing x-shot doesn’t trigger the anti-claim, so we should be on the safe side with this.

day 1 was mainly just mech talk which idk is pretty nai.

@Marluna

The weirdest thing I catched on was Chloe’s read transformation on me:

I literally told him I have no reads, when he asked, and gave the read afterwards, but later he changed his read, because I was mechtalking.

@Chloe

did a push on chloe… which i dont think she ever replied too… (Marlunas replying to chloe i mean. not chloe replying to marluna… its a long day)

@Marluna

ash4, Can you tell me now, why you were so much against the Hazard wagon, while you scumread them earlier?

During the night, I still haven’t found any indication for your read changing on Hazard.
Neither the wagon was packed with players, who you found suspicious earlier.

like this push felt decent enough, the vibes were there with this.

@Marluna

the biggest push I seen on him was Ash4’s wallpost on him, which really didn’t convince me Ash being a wolf.
VOTE: Hazard
After EoD, I can see both Hazard and ash4 flipping red.

and then it somehow got morphed into voting me?

@Marluna

Chaining.

If you flips red, I’m pretty confident Ash4 is wolf too after their EoD.

But I don’t remember your interactions about Ash4 to be confident in the other way around.

reading the whole thing actually I can kind of have a deeper understanding of where she was coming from. she thought ash4 was defending me and then used that logic to think we are both w/w. so there was a flow i guess… even if it was messy as fuck

@Chloe

You said earlier that you think ash4 was a wolf trying to save his partner though, so this confuses me. In my mind the chain would be the other way around - ash4 first, then Hazzy if he’s red

but i still think it should be the other way around yeah. if your main read was ash defending me. then whats the point of flipping me first?

@Marluna

While Hazard just quoted one line, which only confirmed that I am wrong on a surface level, but didn’t go into the details. (While he debunked the Ash/Hazard world, it was more important for him to be me being wrong, than proving himself as a town.)

tbf from my point of view you just popped in and voted for me due to what i saw was

@Marluna

the biggest push I seen on him was Ash4’s wallpost on him, which really didn’t convince me Ash being a wolf.

this… like if ash4’s wallpost was the reason why you voted me… then why arent you voting ash4?

Idk… i think someone and marluna both are not really in my best books… i think ash might also? but idk his last bit has fucking stumped me XD