Pathologic Invitational - TOWN VICTORY!!

[Arctic]

@Nokiel

God, I’m TRing Kanave because I can’t find a scumpartner that isn’t me, knowing I’m town. This feels weird.

well this was nokiel’s reason for townreading kanave today lmao

i don’t even know if a wolf says this about another wolf

[Vulgard]

This post TMIs themself wolf, this post TMIs themself wolf, Kanave has several posts that look like they are TMIng Nokiel wolf. The fact they put Kanave here is potentially significant because it implies Kanave was the “last” townread, which, going by straight TMI… well…

I need to re-check Lemon’s stuff. I found a potential point against Lemon/Nokiel in Nokiel’s ISO but I am not satisfied with it.

[Arctic]

iS tHiS a ShRoOp

[Lemonfairy]

…ok this does look bad
I kind of just looked at Kanave’s posts about Nokiel and didn’t really look at Nokiel’s posts on Kanave
them mutually scumreading each other is not a great look

I’m just going to be a contrarian to point out points where I think makes them less likely to be w/w

@Nokiel

My town right now contains everyone except Kanave, Eliza and Vul.

Kanave is the one I Scumread most, Eliza is Scumlean and Vul is more nulltown/null.

VOTE: Kanave

listing you, Eliza, and Kanave but votes Kanave
it feels like too much for distancing - there was no need for a vote here

@Nokiel

I’m forgetting why I sus Kanave, it might just be because they sus me.

this post I find pretty genuine because I don’t really think scumpartners who are distancing would mention that they forgot why they scumread their partner? When scumreading a partner, there’s a tendency to hyperfocus there and they would have to make up a reasonable reason so forgetting feels kinda natural?

@Vulgard

This is starting to feel like TMI.

this isn’t related but omg I had that exact same thought

@Kanave

Seeing as most of them are solving into you, and have gotten 2 misexes, it doesn’t give you any pause that the solves are leading to townies dying?

this part seems fairly unaligned tbh

@Vulgard

You are the top Nokiel wolfreading and you want to switch based on the day being static? Nokiel is top wagon, you should be happy…

Kanave had Eliza below Nokiel in their latest reads list though

[Lemonfairy]

I’m scared it’s actually Vul again and I’m getting pocketed by these nice and tasty walls

[Vulgard]

Lemonfairy on Nokiel

@Lemonfairy

May
Arctic
Vul
Nokiel

Eliza
Jar
Whysper

beancat
Aelin
Kanave

@Lemonfairy

@Nokiel

Vul, could you lay out why you think bean is alright rn? You have made many short and sweet posts where you state your thoughts, but I feel like you don’t elaborate much. Could I ask for a post elaborating on your thoughts on different slots rn?

I soulread this as a towny post

This is like… nothing… You are townreading for a question…

@Lemonfairy

@Nokiel

Could someone explain Lemon to me rn? I have no idea what to think of them.

lemon is yellow
lemon is sour
lemon is a fairy
with lemony power

thank you for listening to my TED talk

This feels not W/W from Nokiel actually, it’s just really awkward “idk what I should say about this slot.”

@Lemonfairy

Whysper

Vul
May
Arctic
Eliza

Nokiel
Jar

bean
Kanave

Basically no change for Nokiel aside from a slight downward shift.

@Lemonfairy

@May

in which case I’d look at Nokiel and Kanave, placing pretty ineffective votes because they don’t care who dies

I think Nokiel is significantly townier than Kanave
I can’t really see them as a team either

This feels really on the nose for a W/W post about Nokiel, ngl. And simultaneously not W/W with Kanave, especially coupled with what would be a blatant save at EoD3.

@Lemonfairy

@Nokiel

I’m still unsure about Bean, but less sure than at the VC. I think it’s not unlikely that all wagons were villagers

that’s such a non-answer

@Nokiel

I agree that the sudden amount of votes on Aelin at EoD was a bit suspicious. I think it’s not weird for wolves to just hop on the wagon being discussed at that moment, that time being Aelin’s.

so people who hopped on the Aelin wagon later?

@Nokiel

I’m unsure. I feel like I can’t find a pairing where interactions are odd (haven’t looked at the thread with this perspective yet).

just drop some names, it’s ok even if you’re not sure
but yeah, looking at interactions and/or team equity between people you scumread is a good idea

@Nokiel

I think it’s biased from what I’ve been reading and having been pressured by them before, but I still find Vul a bit uncomfortable, but can’t elaborate on how, hence why I think it’s rooted in bias.

one way to see if you’re just biased or biased and right is to see if they can be partnered with someone from their interactions
if they are blatantly unpartnered with literally everyone, then that means you’re probably just biased and tunneled

this takes a lot of time though so I don’t really bother until more people have died off

This feels pretty charitable. And towny tbh if I don’t look at it from the prism of W/W interactions.

@Lemonfairy

@Nokiel

I have some townreads and leans, but I’m mostly unsure who I scumread. I don’t want to scumread someone unless I’m sure of my read and actually believe it.

what you do is
you townread people
and then kill the rest

the tried and tested POE method

but seriously, I also find it much easier to identify town than scum and usually when I do this, my accuracy tends to be higher (because otherwise I would tunnel too hard)

Continued here.

@Lemonfairy

like, it just kind of looks like Nokiel is trying to explain themselves?
idk if scum!Nokiel would react to scumpartner!Kanave pushing them like this

I think it’s within reason Nokiel wouldn’t know how to distance?

@Lemonfairy

though I also kind of doubt that you’ve actually read any of my posts aside from those at EOD1
Nokiel has been pretty nonconfrontational but I don’t really feel they’re doing it in a wolfy way
like, they know they’re being wishy-washy and that it’ll make them look bad but they put their thoughts out anyway and I think that’s towny

@Lemonfairy

ugh I don’t really think either bean or Nokiel is a hit
can we CFD to Kanave please?

@Lemonfairy

because I don’t think either bean or Nokiel are good wagons

@Lemonfairy

and Kanave is scummier anyway

@Arctic

and also, which of beancat/nokeil do you townread more

@Lemonfairy

probably still Nokiel

@Lemonfairy

@Kanave

I find this interesting given how Nokiel has been playing all game, she said pretty early on that Decisive pushes are generally wolfy and has indecisive all game, feels like shes playing into the meta that she herself is calling towny

I think ^this post is probably not w/w with Kanave. It honestly looks more like Kanave is just throwing shade than distancing. This matches up with their behaviour at EOD, where they jump on Kanave (who had 2 votes) rather than the wagon going down (bean, who had 4 votes).

Again, this is Kanave’s only real push this game, she seems mad confident about it, but she avoided pushing Nokiel through both times when it mattered. That’s why I suspect the read is fake.

@Lemonfairy

literally why are people on Nokiel and why is Nokiel voting Jar

@Lemonfairy

VOTE: Kanave

this is the way to go

@Lemonfairy

Nokiel - honestly, I would actually put Nokiel higher but thinking harder, I realize I don’t actually have any really strong reasons to be townreading Nokiel as hard as I have been, aside from intuition and their tone - their posts are really open and I feel like they are trying to kind of piece the game together in their own way.

@Lemonfairy

ok so maybe I have to look at Kanave/Eliza and Eliza/Nokiel
and maybe Vul too

The acknowledgment is pretty good here.

@Lemonfairy

idk who Vul would even partner with??

You, apparently.

@Lemonfairy

@Kanave if I vote Eliza, would you vote with me?

This is really suspicious if Nokiel is a wolf, trying this hard to save Nokiel (Nokiel is top wagon here) that she actually tries to bring her top wolfread over to her side and pushes for Eliza. But again, this feels way too blatant to be mafia. And I know I said that about Marl last game but Marl was a replacein and was making up his reasoning while Lemonfairy has consistently been harddefending Nokiel and kinda ignoring everything bad Nokiel has posted.

…Maybe she just plays like this as a wolf, I guess?

@Lemonfairy

I thought Eliza/Vul was more likely than Nokiel/Kanave or Kanave/Eliza and Kanave’s posts were getting kinda towny too and we kept getting stale EODs that led to villager misyeets so I thought Eliza was more likely a hit but apparently not and now we’re here and idk

Idk where the Eliza/Vul pairing even came from, to be honest.

Yeah, Lemonfairy has made it a mission to defend Nokiel all game and I feel like she’s been ignoring the stuff that makes Nokiel wolfy, also all game. All the time. And I don’t know why. She didn’t even address the random selfvote thing that Nokiel did (and which she definitely saw, she was right there).

I think Nokiel is the correct execution today, and the partner is either Kanave (distancing/bussing) or Lemonfairy (haaaaaaaaaaaaaaard defending the slot all the time). That said, Nokiel has this one post about Lemonfairy:

Nokiel on Lemon

@Nokiel

Initially I had nothing to say about Lemon, because they didn’t really present their own ideas, but with you pointing out their somewhat probing question, they do seem to be trying to coax out a bit more info out of other players. Not sure I have an opinion yet tho…

@Nokiel

Lemon is a slot that I have had issues getting anything out of. I think I want to try to find content from them.

@Nokiel

Could someone explain Lemon to me rn? I have no idea what to think of them.

@Nokiel

Lemon - Townlean - Very open and feels unfiltered, which comes across as towny

@Nokiel

I need to look at Lemon again and remind myself why I TR them.

@Nokiel

Lemon’s questions pointed at everyone has felt like trying to collect content from others for players to analyze

They have also had their own opinions and not just stepped back afterwards without giving their input.

@Nokiel

I can see the TR on Lemon for participating in reads and also hanging around EoD to discuss further (and not just support the current ml wagon)

@Nokiel

I think I’m hopping on Kanave because of Lemon’s suspicion…

@Nokiel

Lemon at face value has been very conversational and has made some content unprompted, most recently scumreading Kanave for not making much content on their own, and when they have, only as a reaction to someone else. I find Lemon’s SoD questions having a motivation to produce content and demand content from other players, so I do kind of TR them, but I keep seeing this Vul/Lemon pairing thrown around.

@Nokiel

Is there a world where it’s Lemon and Kanave?

Might’ve found the key in the bolded posts. Nokiel has a pretty static TR on Lemon for the most part, but recently they seem to have recognized that Lemonfairy is pushable and wants to explore that option. It’s not super strong but it’s more than I found in Kanave and Nokiel’s ISOs for them not being paired.

@Lemonfairy

@Kanave

Seeing as most of them are solving into you, and have gotten 2 misexes, it doesn’t give you any pause that the solves are leading to townies dying?

this part seems fairly unaligned tbh

This is the post I felt Kanave wrote for the express purpose of making herself look good after Nokiel’s flip. She does absolutely nothing with this line of inquiry later on.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

This is the post I felt Kanave wrote for the express purpose of making herself look good after Nokiel’s flip. She does absolutely nothing with this line of inquiry later on.

Like, she doesn’t treat any other player in the game like this. Ever. There are two wolves and she only ever has this one suspicion, and she doesn’t ever kill the slot when she has the opportunity to. It just seems fake.

[Vulgard]

@Lemonfairy

I’m scared it’s actually Vul again and I’m getting pocketed by these nice and tasty walls

Does this look tasty to you?

[Vulgard]

VOTE: Nokiel

If I’m wrong then L.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

That said, Nokiel has this one post about Lemonfairy:

proceeds to quote over 10 posts

[Vulgard]

@Lemonfairy

Kanave had Eliza below Nokiel in their latest reads list though

I felt like that came out of the blue given Kanave’s anti-Nokiel rhetoric that came during the same day phase.

[Vulgard]

Yes I know she did case Eliza but uh. It was really weird imo.

I am considering alternate takes, this is why I asked for extra pairs of eyes.

[Vulgard]

I’ll be back tomorrow.

[Lemonfairy]

@Vulgard

Yeah, Lemonfairy has made it a mission to defend Nokiel all game and I feel like she’s been ignoring the stuff that makes Nokiel wolfy, also all game. All the time. And I don’t know why. She didn’t even address the random selfvote thing that Nokiel did (and which she definitely saw, she was right there).

yes

[Lemonfairy]

that’s… actually fair

[Lemonfairy]

ok let’s hammer Vul while he’s gone

[Lemonfairy]

(for legal purposes, this is a joke)

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

I felt like that came out of the blue given Kanave’s anti-Nokiel rhetoric that came during the same day phase.

I should rephrase: it felt like the read on Eliza came solely to have an alternative to Nokiel.

@Kanave

Reading Eliza’s Iso i actually wouldn’t hate an exe here

This proves my point.

I’ll look into whatever you respond with later, gone for real now.

[Arctic]

i don’t think lemon tries to kill kanave at eod2 when the wagons are 4-beancat and 3-nokiel if she is a wolf with nokiel

[Host_Account_1]

Nokiel (1): Vulgard

Not Voting (5): Arctic, Kanave, Lemonfairy, May, Nokiel

Majority is 4. Day ends 2022-12-05T04:00:00Z