Percy Jackson and the Olympians FM - Town wins!

[beancat]

What

[Atlas]

its an easter egg
you wouldnt get it

[beancat]

Fuck
Time to go watch it again

[tutuu]

Which reads of mine do you disagree with?

Feel free to disagree with reads, everyone ought to share their opinion on reads, but just saying im wrong because im making a lot of attempts at reads and you dont want me to make a lot of attempts at reads feels very silly

[beancat]

My only take was you have way too much townreads for how early it is, i dont recall u doin this in the game u pointed out

[tutuu]

Okay feel free to be suspicious of me then. I understood it as “youre leading in the wrong direction” as in, im pushing town to be wrong; that my reads are wrong. Which is not impossible but if nobody suggests where im wrong we dont really have anything else to do and its not entirely on me

[Atlas]

do you necessarily disagree with any of the townreads

[sulit]

[May]

Here’s a (legal, compiled by hand) spreadsheet of Ash’s games here that I could find, excluding FAMs for being too annoying to count. As you can see he is not especially postcount polarised, the difference is nowhere near significant.

If you toss out the outlier of Virtuous IV (mislabeled lol there have only been 5), and the BotF:

…then you could probably say he posts less as wolf, the lowest-posting 2 games are wolfgames and the highest-posting 4 are towngames, but the threshold is tight (33.5 ppd in highest wolfgame vs 38.75 ppd in lowest towngame), the sample size is small, and this is mafia not statistics class. IV means he’s clearly shown capability to highpost as wolf, if not generally desire.

Kittens and Virtuous V are more recent wolfgames than IV, so it’s not like he’s done wolf highposting recently, but he got D1ed in Virtuous and in Kittens Game he was specifically playing to the game’s mech to be generally wolfread but with the wrong partners (and he was mech outed on the last day). I’d be cautious about trying to read Ash on postcount alone, though I think you could get somewhere by more thoughtfully analysing the underlying causes of postcount, comfort in thread and motivation

[beancat]

Dissecting tutuu’s readlist

@tutuu

Kiiruma: unreadable for me

Frostwolf: unreadable for me. Maybe towny because he was interested in solving whether or not sulit and I are masons and he’d probably be less blatant as wolf

Illwei: i dont know how to read her; process of elimination

Luxy: i dont know how to read him; process of elimination, sheeping my townreads voting him

Pandora: i dont know how to read her; process of elimination, sheeping my townreads on voting her

@tutuu

Bean: im sheeping people

Fun “unreadables”, id think frost and kii are usually more readable but maybe thats later down the line

Townreads I agree with:

@tutuu

Arctic: post 895

Ill temporarily sheep this on meta, havent found anything objectionable myself

@tutuu

Sulit: tries to read everyone, engages deeply, is similar to past town games. She warned she wont high post in sign up tread and yet shes one of the top posters, got invested due to randing town

litlit be litlit-ing

@tutuu

May: is more sloppy / less conventionally towny as town

More or less agreed

@tutuu

Leafia: accused me of TMI which always happen when we’re v/v, her posts all seem fine, good effort

In agreement here; think w!leafia’s more reactive than proactive

@tutuu

Anonymoose (hippo): wants to win, has fire in his veins. Hippo is a wet noodle as wolf

First, altreading bad
But i think this is a fair point

Scumreads I agree with:

@tutuu

Ash: expressed doomerism that the efforts of people scumreading atlas are in vain

Doomerism bad

The weird collection:

@tutuu

Atlas: a number of posts digging deep, handled pressure well. My personal understanding of Atlas (non-mafia related) which is difficult to put in words

@tutuu

Jarek: got upset at being scumread

@tutuu

Apprentice: i thought hes fine, his Luxy read seems believable. Hes chill when pressured

@tutuu

Bystander: got upset at being scumread

All of these list reactions to reads which… not great, especially the townreads off of them. It’s d1, we all know reads arent great rn, so the reactions are usually nai - and i havent seen any that super jump out to me. I fear tutuu giving the “chill when pressured” when there havent been any substantial pressure is a smokescreen

Reading back at the list we’re left with exactly 3 scumreads and a whole ton of "idk"s, i feel that’s PoEing too early which partly leads to doomerism

[beancat]

Bad
Dont read into postcounts

[Chiron]

Votecount as of post #951

pandora (4): Leafia, Atlas, sulit, tutuu
Luxy (3): May, Arctic, Apprentice
bystander (1): beancat
Jarek (1): Illwei
Arctic (1): Anonymoose
Leafia (1): pandora

Not Voting (6): bystander, Luxy, Jarek, Kiiruma, Ash, Frostwolf103

[May]

Bad

You literally did not read my post if you thought I was saying “read into postcounts alone as a source of evidence” + postcounts are still a piece of information that you can take into account when you’re making your read on somebody + I don’t get the obsession with “activity is NAI” when that’s clearly false, it’s wishful thinking, activity alone can’t make you a read but nothing short of a redcheck can + L + ratio + no bitches + etc

[beancat]

You can throw any data at a wall and convince yourself there’s a pattern

Like that might actually correspond with the hours of sleep they got that week for all we know

[May]

Please look at my post and tell me if you think I was saying “we should all read Ash based solely off the number of posts he has”

[Atlas]

@beancat

i feel that’s PoEing too early which partly leads to doomerism

so you disagree with tutuu trying to judge so many people this early?

[beancat]

Do that for me and tell me a pattern and I can guarantee you my response will be to pull up my calendar

You’re assuming way too much for non-substantial evidence

[Atlas]

bean are you paying attention to what may said

[beancat]

Yes

[May]

Please look at my post and tell me exactly what I “assumed”