Purgatory - Town Win!

[PrincessAbigail]

@Psyx

You’re making it seem like I’m hedging or something when I haven’t even given out my readlist FYI

I don’t think it’s hedgy I think it’s flat out shade. And it concerns me because it makes no sense when you conclude the opposite of what your post actually says.

[tutuu]

@tutuu

@PrincessAbigail

@tutuu

I am a good Samaritan Townsperson and I believe in transparency and honesty. I have nothing to hide. :3

But see my problem is it feels LAMIST right?

It feels so much like “I had this idea but look hold on look I’m not doing it right so I must be town!” And from where I’m standing that’s like the only thing I see openly expressing this accomplishing

Right, fair enough, however, the only reason I brought it up is because someone else initiated by asking me about it! I think it was … Luka.

So, if I was a wolf, I never would have claimed my towncred, had another player decided to not ask me, which was outside of my control, as I didn’t nudge him to question me at all! Unless I am w/w with Luka. In other cases - I never proactively harvested the fruit of my towny reaction test, only reactively!

Oh wait! Wrong post!

This was about … me thinking about the bussing strategy.

Fair enough, I was proactive there. Feel free to not townread me for it. I agree it wasnt towny of me to do it proactively, I just did it coz I was being honest, but I agree its not towny. I think the Psyx reaction test was towny, though.

[PrincessAbigail]

@tutuu

So, if I was a wolf, I never would have claimed my towncred, had another player decided to not ask me, which was outside of my control, as I didn’t nudge him to question me at all! Unless I am w/w with Luka. In other cases - I never proactively harvested the fruit of my towny reaction test, only reactively!

Hmm…

[PrincessAbigail]

Honestly Tutuu can probably just be town core

[PrincessAbigail]

@tutuu

Fair enough, I was proactive there. Feel free to not townread me for it. I agree it wasnt towny of me to do it proactively, I just did it coz I was being honest, but I agree its not towny. I think the Psyx reaction test was towny, though.

For this to be clear I dunno why it deleted the quote in that post

[tutuu]

@MerpyDerpy

@Luka

If I want to explain why she’s scum, Im going to ISO her. Simple as that. She decides to push me for being busy, and pushing them in return.

I didn’t push you for being busy. You told me you’d give me a read, and you didn’t. I called you sus for several reasons, but the main reason being your lack of communication. Respectfully, if you knew you were busy and wouldn’t be able to give an explanation, why offer it? It feels like you’re getting mad at me when you put yourself in that position.

I don’t want this to become an argument between us, but I’ll be honest, I’m sensing some negative energy that you’re sending my way. I really don’t appreciate it. I am all down for debates, but if you’re going to just treat me like shit, I won’t listen to you. Thanks.

Still town. Nods nods

[Psyx]

@PrincessAbigail

I don’t think it’s hedgy I think it’s flat out shade. And it concerns me because it makes no sense when you conclude the opposite of what your post actually says.

I am saying his read/push is bad. But not in a wolf-bad way but in a town-bad way. I literally said Luka feels different from his Strat-15 game, that he’s not “projecting towniness” and lacks self-awareness. Being self-conscious/self-aware is a red flag for wolfiness.

If that’s not me saying I was townleaning him then you need to get your eyes checked. You’re making assumptions and when I explain you’re just going: Psyx no you didn’t mean that

Bro I made the post, not you. I certainly know my intent/goal/thoughts were while writing it.

[tutuu]

VOTE: guava

Is this the game where Abigail and Tutuu mason??? What a time to be alive…

To be clear, I don’t townread her, I am perpetually scared of her just as she is perpetually scared of me. However, I do like her reads a lot.

[tutuu]

@PrincessAbigail

@MerpyDerpy

Princess Abigail: Null/Scum-Leaning

Like if one of your top 3 towns scum reading you makes you cri errytime

Mfw Bakefia and Angel chopped me last game and Cait scumread me this one.

[tutuu]

@PrincessAbigail

@Luka

Ill stop pushing them as soon as they develop a half decent read on me thats not just omgus

Omgus is a buzz word that kills more townies than wolfs.

Someone can have a mutual scum read on you and not be omgusing.

Your both tunneled and wrong. Stop.

This is all very correct Mafia theory.

[PrincessAbigail]

@Psyx

Bro I made the post, not you. I certainly know my intent/goal/thoughts were while writing it.

You can SAY whatever you want but it is my job to discern if you are in fact telling the truth and pointedly I do not think you are.

Wolfs have to make shit up they are burdened solely by the information they do possess.

[Psyx]

@PrincessAbigail

I don’t think it’s hedgy I think it’s flat out shade. And it concerns me because it makes no sense when you conclude the opposite of what your post actually says.

You’re not paying attention to my posts, are you?

• Luka was a wolf in Strat15 that pocketed me early on by “doing towny things and sounding towny”
• In this game, he doesn’t do any of that but pushes/votes Merpy for ??? reasons
• Luka is not “projecting towniness” or being self-aware of how his Merpy push would look like to someone who saw him pushing town!Cait in Strat 15
• Coupled with Luka being defensive and voting people nilly-willy cements the fact that he is playing very, very differently from Strat15

Luka was wolf that game. If he’s different this time (with no apparent justification of why wolf!him would choose to change strategies) then…?

Conclusion: Luka is town.

That’s my whole point. If you saw “Psyx bringing up commonly wolfy signs” but can’t understand how I concluded Luka is town then that’s a skill issue on your part, not mine.

[PrincessAbigail]

@tutuu

To be clear, I don’t townread her, I am perpetually scared of her just as she is perpetually scared of me. However, I do like her reads a lot.

Why are you scared of me? I’m trash.

[PrincessAbigail]

Wanna mason? :p

[PrincessAbigail]

@tutuu

This is all very correct Mafia theory.

I know. I’m goated.

[tutuu]

Holy moly macaroni town incarnate.

My reads:

Luka
Merpy

Cait
Psyx

Abigail
Doleful

Ritsu
Guava

[tutuu]

@PrincessAbigail

@tutuu

To be clear, I don’t townread her, I am perpetually scared of her just as she is perpetually scared of me. However, I do like her reads a lot.

Why are you scared of me? I’m trash.

I definitely agree a ton with your reads and will be happy to help you with them, even if you’re Mafia trying to bus guava.

I am scared of Mafia you, as you are willing to go the Distance when wolfing, and not stop at anything. I am unsure if there is anything, in theory, that is safe to townread you off of, meaning, out of your wolf range.

[Psyx]

@PrincessAbigail

You can SAY whatever you want but it is my job to discern if you are in fact telling the truth and pointedly I do not think you are.

Wolfs have to make shit up they are burdened solely by the information they do possess.

Read it any way you want but at least I did my part in correcting wrong interpretations of my posts. I don’t want to hear any “oh but Psyx you were so wolfy because you didn’t do this and that” once the game ends.

[PrincessAbigail]

@Psyx

You’re not paying attention to my posts, are you?

I am.

[Psyx]

@PrincessAbigail

I am.

If you could ISO me starting from #652 (I’ll quote them below) with the knowledge that I’m townleaning Luka but still conclude that I’m BS-ing this read then I rest my case.

Summary

@Psyx

Mm I agree with other people saying Luka feels different this game compared to Strat-15. He’s not “projecting towniness” here and lacks self-awareness.

Luka: votes Merpy without explanation (#200)
Merpy: asks why (#224)
Luka: says they’ll explain once he gets on PC (#226)
Merpy: ISO-s Tutuu instead (#454)
Merpy: asks Luka if he’s on PC (#480)
Luka: responds that he is (#482)
Luka: ISO-s Merpy (#484). Take note that only the first 4 posts he quoted were made before he voted Merpy (his evaluation: 1st is “very petty first statement”, 2nd is “not a massive fan”, 3rd is “making content w/o making content”, 4th is “post leans towards town”)

I’d say in the posts he quoted in #484, the last two quotes (made after he voted Merpy) were the “weirdest”/most notable of the bunch, but I’d like to know which of the first four made him confident enough to vote Merpy in the first place.

Luka saying this right after that:

@Luka

So far, merpy has felt like attempting to exude a townie minset while doing nothing productive. Even so far as asking me to explain why is weird when they’ve glossed over nearly everything else. Of course they would be more curious since it revolves them, but regardless. Either wa,y the slot is really weird right now.

Feels very…bad faith? Considering all Merpy asked was an explanation for his wolfreads/him voting her, which Luka spins into Merpy being a hypocrite for not sharing her own reads (even though Merpy didn’t vote anyone at that time unlike him). FYI (@ #562 Luka) No, you don’t need to ISO someone to explain your vote, you only need to point at certain posts or summarize your thoughts. What you need to ISO someone for is to wolfcase or towncase them.

It feels like Luka vs Cait in Strat-15 all over again, with Luka voting Cait as “pressure” and turning it into a full-blown argument. Luka not noticing the parallels, flip-flopping between Merpy and me without any explanation, and getting defensive towards Guava in #543 (flat-out saying he wants to OMGUS him) suggests that…he’s probably just not very self-aware/conscious this time.

@Psyx

? If you read my post again you’d see I was actually townleaning Luka for being different and not being self-conscious.

I don’t think wolf!Luka would change his strategy from Strat-15 considering how well it worked for him — and guava/Cait/you/I are people I don’t think he’d be too worried over (compared to, say, May or Arctic).

@Psyx

Dole and I commenting on the same things just points to how bad Luka’s push on Merpy is imo

@Psyx

Nope, that was my analysis of Luka vs Merpy. Town make bad reads all the time — in fact, I’d say they make bad reads more often than wolves. Just because I forgot to add “All this makes Luka more likely to be town” at the end doesn’t mean I was wolfcasing him.

@Psyx

A wolfcase (at least in my definition) is accompanied with either a vote or a neon sign flat-out saying “I think this is a wolf”. Even if someone assumes my read was the opposite of what I intended, I can explain it in my succeeding posts (which I am doing right now). You’re making it seem like I’m hedging or something when I haven’t even given out my readlist FYI

@Psyx

I am saying his read/push is bad. But not in a wolf-bad way but in a town-bad way. I literally said Luka feels different from his Strat-15 game, that he’s not “projecting towniness” and lacks self-awareness. Being self-conscious/self-aware is a red flag for wolfiness.

If that’s not me saying I was townleaning him then you need to get your eyes checked. You’re making assumptions and when I explain you’re just going: Psyx no you didn’t mean that

Bro I made the post, not you. I certainly know my intent/goal/thoughts were while writing it.

@Psyx

You’re not paying attention to my posts, are you?

• Luka was a wolf in Strat15 that pocketed me early on by “doing towny things and sounding towny”
• In this game, he doesn’t do any of that but pushes/votes Merpy for ??? reasons
• Luka is not “projecting towniness” or being self-aware of how his Merpy push would look like to someone who saw him pushing town!Cait in Strat 15
• Coupled with Luka being defensive and voting people nilly-willy cements the fact that he is playing very, very differently from Strat15

Luka was wolf that game. If he’s different this time (with no apparent justification of why wolf!him would choose to change strategies) then…?

Conclusion: Luka is town.

That’s my whole point. If you saw “Psyx bringing up commonly wolfy signs” but can’t understand how I concluded Luka is town then that’s a skill issue on your part, not mine.