you can argue neutral utility but in my personal opinion if you lived a while, 3kp on poe slots is worth a flavor-solvable deathmill
but i do understand that it feels random and that its probably not physically the best design
Convert me to unseen king last second if you want I donât care but putting me with the evil team and then trolling me by saying I lose because I lived too good is just a fucking joke
I would call myself fairly objective.
Of course a Mage versus an Unseen ends in a good victory, because theyâre just a random evil-siding neutral that nobody cares about. However, a faction member like the King shouldnât be equated as a mere evil neutral role, especially not one that has as many disadvantages as it does.
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I agree.
In my heart you won.
I think you should have it like a Neutral Win tbh.
You did great solo wise.
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Give me an ability that just says âI die in the place of the first BD memberâ and itâd have been 10x more useful than living
to be fair
the number of times a town-aligned FoLer has claimed nontown while in a private chat with another player as a reaction test
is uh
non-zero
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I donât think anyone would argue if a random mage lost in that kind of scenario theyâre not scum theyâre just helping scum the issue is I am evil, I am a member of the mafia. But I donât actually exist Iâm just there to be a +1 but I do nothing valuable and I may as well just not be there as far as evils are concerned.
Itâs the role most suited to deepwolfing but deepwolfing actively loses you the game itâs amazing
Can we make Jarek
This and then say he won as this.
I donât want to win I just donât think outright losing is at all fair as I keep saying
Yeah Draw is better tbh
I wasnât sure what the flavour source was. I donât remember the specifics, but I donât think that character existed in the BOTF game and if youâve written a book somewhere, I havenât read it.
For the main thing, I had no idea what âbad thingâ meant, and the âif enough Dreamers choose themâ inspired me to choose as many players as possible, in case some mild effect targets them. Had I known the abilities were randomised killing powers going out between those players, I wouldâve wanted to choose as few players as possible to ensure predictable results.
Imagine if the wolf had randomly received the gun to shoot a villager instead.
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Iâm getting off this site page again, goodbye for a bit again guys yo!
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thereâs a game called untrusted that has these kinds of neutrals where they are considered neutral for faction checking and the like but have win conditions that are explicitly not neutral
like, one role is a neutral and itâs win condition is âtown must lose and you canât die in the processâ the only thing neutral about that is that youâre just a wolf that doesnât want to die
(If the ability was designed so that only a villager could gain the gun and only a wolf could be targeted, that ability is way stronger than a regular gun giver that Iâm fine with it in hindsight.)
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for whatever itâs worth, theoretically (going based on the OP + classcards, not Elizaâs day 1 ruling) a draw seems like probably the most fair outcome here, but Iâm pretty sure that continuing to press the point is not actually helping your case
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the flavor source was that your deathmilled flipâs flavor said that they possess people without their memory or knowledge
but yeah point taken that it required solving the ability which wasnt necessarily something that i shouldve relied on happening
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Itâs approaching 7 in the morning
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Jarek, please get some sleep
may isnât it almost 2 am where you are
Itâs hard to explain what it feels like to be so strongly driven by something that you canât sleep but thatâs where Iâm at